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Forum: Tech Log

27th Aug 2010, 08:09

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Descending once cleared for approach

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Posted By bookworm

The entire point of this thread is about whether...

The entire point of this thread is about whether a clearance to a lower level is implicit in a particular clearance phraseology.

And one can equally argue that:

"Cleared ILS" when on a...

Forum: Tech Log

26th Aug 2010, 16:25

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Descending once cleared for approach

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Posted By bookworm

To exactly the same extent as the "direct to...

To exactly the same extent as the "direct to KELON" clearance replaces the arrival segment.

If you believe that "cleared ILS" permits descent to the intermediate altitude, why do you not believe...

Forum: Tech Log

8th Jul 2010, 16:41

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Descending once cleared for approach

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Posted By bookworm

That misses the point a bit, BOAC, as does the...

That misses the point a bit, BOAC, as does the debate about the hold protection. There seems little doubt that aircraft should and usually do end up at KELON at about 2500 ft.

spud3 was given a...

Forum: Tech Log

7th Jul 2010, 08:22

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Descending once cleared for approach

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Posted By bookworm

IAPs...

IAPs (https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/aip/enligne/PDF_AIPparSSection/IAC/AD/2/1008_AD-2.LFOK.pdf) for Vatry.

Arrivals and Departures...

Forum: Tech Log

6th Jul 2010, 09:11

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Descending once cleared for approach

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Posted By bookworm

Nope, you're not established on a published...

Nope, you're not established on a published segment of the approach.

"The final approach segment begins at the final approach point (FAP). This is a point in space on the final approach track...

Forum: Tech Log

6th Jul 2010, 07:48

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Descending once cleared for approach

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Posted By bookworm

If it were written somewhere I could find, I...

If it were written somewhere I could find, I wouldn't have said "it is generally believed". ;) However, this is from the CAA's CAP413 supplement (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP413Supplement.pdf)
...

Forum: Tech Log

5th Jul 2010, 13:51

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Descending once cleared for approach

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Posted By bookworm

Synopsis....

Synopsis. (http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19741201-0)

(I was puzzled that I couldn't find this at first, as I also remembered it as IAD -- the database has the destination as...

Forum: Tech Log

5th Jul 2010, 12:32

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Descending once cleared for approach

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Posted By bookworm

It always amazes me that in all the reams of ICAO...

It always amazes me that in all the reams of ICAO documents, including standard phraseology for clearances, there appears to be nothing that tells pilots what the words actually mean. There is no...

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