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Forum: Tech Log
24th Aug 2011, 15:34
Replies: 3,435
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Posted By RWA

Quoting Safety Concerns:- "The post was...

Quoting Safety Concerns:-

"The post was clearly directed at Airbus, heavily implying some perceived design flaw."

Can't help recalling my days as Reserve artilleryman, Safety. And a...
Forum: Tech Log
24th Aug 2011, 15:03
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting Lyman:- Terrific point, in...

Quoting Lyman:-



Terrific point, in my view, Lyman.

Does anyone know whether Airbus simulators are configured to 'simulate' the effects of 'law changes'? I'd be very surprised to hear...
Forum: Tech Log
18th Aug 2011, 13:08
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting philip2412:- "do you believe,every...

Quoting philip2412:-

"do you believe,every pilot inthe whole wide world,capable of flying an jet
a/c would after a/p disconnect had put the a/c in a climb of 7000ft/m ?"

Welcome, philip2412....
Forum: Tech Log
18th Aug 2011, 08:13
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Nevertheless, that - 'apply TOGA power and seek...

Nevertheless, that - 'apply TOGA power and seek to maintain altitude' - was the 'book procedure' (for both Airbus and Boeing) at the time AF447 went in? It was changed to 'get the nose down and apply...
Forum: Tech Log
16th Aug 2011, 15:46
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting iceman50:- ".....there is no...

Quoting iceman50:-

".....there is no difference in which hand you use to fly the A/C from the LHS or RHS be it a Boeing or an Airbus,so your design change is NOT required."

Sincerely hope we...
Forum: Tech Log
16th Aug 2011, 14:51
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting DW:- @RWA - wrong way round. The PF...

Quoting DW:-

@RWA - wrong way round. The PF was the one in the RHS...."

Apologies, DozyWannabe, but not so, as far as I can see from the BEA Report.

If you look at the FDR/CVR...
Forum: Tech Log
16th Aug 2011, 14:27
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

About the sidestick thing, I'll put an idea on...

About the sidestick thing, I'll put an idea on here in case it eventually achieves results where they count........

I mainly flew stuff that had the traditional 'stick between the knees' - only...
Forum: Tech Log
15th Aug 2011, 03:13
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting Safety Concerns:- Yes...

Quoting Safety Concerns:-



Yes indeed, thanks jc.

There's one particularly close parallel. The factor that started the 'accident chain' in the 727 case appears to have been a...
Forum: Tech Log
10th Aug 2011, 17:40
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting CON fiture:- 'at FL350 with no...

Quoting CON fiture:-

'at FL350 with no A/THR the output is absolutely the same whatever the thrust levers position from CLB to MCT to TOGA.'

Sincerely hope that I've misunderstood, CON...
Forum: Tech Log
10th Aug 2011, 14:14
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting Sebaska:- Apologies, Seb, can't...

Quoting Sebaska:-

Apologies, Seb, can't resist quoting a BBC radio witticism that I heard many years ago. A 'voice' supposedly coming on to the airliner's PA and telling the passengers that they...
Forum: Tech Log
10th Aug 2011, 06:10
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Apologies - to the BEA AND for the double post: ...

Apologies - to the BEA AND for the double post:

The relevant BEA appendix in the latest report does give the power settings. 'Rough copy' says:-

2.10.47 33%
2.10.56 TOGA
2.11.43 MCT...
Forum: Tech Log
10th Aug 2011, 05:13
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting Man Flex:- Not sure that I...

Quoting Man Flex:-


Not sure that I follow that, Man Flex? Up to now it's been my understanding that, with autothrust operating, 'Climb' is the 'default setting' for cruise flight, and the next...
Forum: Tech Log
7th Aug 2011, 13:27
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting bubbers44:- I think this may...

Quoting bubbers44:-



I think this may well be a matter of 'super-sensitive' recording, rather than anything more sinister. If you ignore the 'snaking lines,' and just count the basic 'ups and...
Forum: Tech Log
7th Aug 2011, 07:37
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting Sidestick:- Sidestick, I...

Quoting Sidestick:-



Sidestick, I don't know everything about the Airbus displays, but as I understand it the PNF would normally have been able to monitor the control movements of the PF (in...
Forum: Tech Log
6th Aug 2011, 14:07
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting Neptunus Rex:- I don't think...

Quoting Neptunus Rex:-



I don't think so, Neptunus. Don't forget, 'autotrim' was still operating; and I don't think Airbus pilots have the option of turning it off? So if they'd wound the...
Forum: Tech Log
5th Aug 2011, 16:29
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting Lonewolf50:- Looked it up...

Quoting Lonewolf50:-



Looked it up (can't find the photos again) and the conventional (non-electronic) A330 setup looks pretty good. Big trimwheels either side of the central console, and (I...
Forum: Tech Log
5th Aug 2011, 14:59
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

mm43, HazelNuts39, thanks so much for the...

mm43, HazelNuts39, thanks so much for the informative replies.

Quoting HazelNuts39:-



I read the BEA's Perpignan report (on a accident back in 2008) but missed the point you very kindly...
Forum: Tech Log
5th Aug 2011, 05:38
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Confess to still being ‘bugged’ by the issue of...

Confess to still being ‘bugged’ by the issue of the THS going to ‘full up.’ Unfortunately the BEA doesn’t say much about it in the latest report – and what it does say is rather contradictory.

...
Forum: Tech Log
4th Aug 2011, 13:46
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting Dozywannabe:- "Of course, why not...

Quoting Dozywannabe:-

"Of course, why not just throw away years of development and just make planes the Boeing way to satisfy a minority of pilots who can't deal with having the training wheels...
Forum: Tech Log
4th Aug 2011, 11:45
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

I think maybe most of us are being a bit 'unfair'...

I think maybe most of us are being a bit 'unfair' to the pilots. The FDR/CVR confirms that, for just about all of the time, they didn't have speeds - and both the Flight Directors kept cutting out at...
Forum: Tech Log
3rd Aug 2011, 14:16
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Any of us who have been involved in 'accident...

Any of us who have been involved in 'accident investigations' of any kind will have experienced the way things tend to develop on a 'double track.' It's not usually possible to reveal the 'whole...
Forum: Tech Log
29th Jul 2011, 11:02
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting ChrisN:- Blame google mate - the...

Quoting ChrisN:-

Blame google mate - the only translation I'll take responsibility for is the title of the article! :)

Avionista, as far as I know the BEA didn't say which pilot was sitting in...
Forum: Tech Log
29th Jul 2011, 04:03
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

I'd have thought that there are at least two...

I'd have thought that there are at least two occasions, bearfoil - both IAS:-

1. the initial upset at the top of the 'zoom climb' - warning sounds, pilot applies TO/GA power, warning stops.
...
Forum: Tech Log
29th Jul 2011, 02:32
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Well, I guess this is all the extra information...

Well, I guess this is all the extra information we are going to get. 'The aeroplane behaved perfectly, the pilots just stuffed up (now including the captain)........' etc. etc.

My French is well...
Forum: Tech Log
26th Jul 2011, 10:33
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting iceman50:- On the contrary, I...

Quoting iceman50:-


On the contrary, I answered your last (also somewhat abusive) post, with a source, in my Post 2086 above.


Revised stall procedures centre on angle-of-attack not power...
Forum: Tech Log
26th Jul 2011, 09:56
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting Mr Optimistic_ Many thanks,...

Quoting Mr Optimistic_



Many thanks, Mr O, edited! :)
Forum: Tech Log
26th Jul 2011, 08:37
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Sorry we seem to be disagreeing so much, Poit. ...

Sorry we seem to be disagreeing so much, Poit.

Quoting Poit:-


You’ve flown light stuff, same as me. You’ll know that one almost never uses the stick in one dimension, ‘coordinate the...
Forum: Tech Log
24th Jul 2011, 05:25
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting Hyperveloce:- Not your...

Quoting Hyperveloce:-



Not your fault, Hyperveloce, because the BEA Note leaves so much out. But the only mention of a 'left noseup input' at any stage before the upset is this:-



The...
Forum: Tech Log
23rd Jul 2011, 05:22
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting BOAC:- Came across this article...

Quoting BOAC:-


Came across this article quoting an Airbus pilot at some length. It offers a (pretty hair-raising) explanation of what MAY have happened. Obviously there's no way I can...
Forum: Tech Log
22nd Jul 2011, 04:39
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting bubbers44:- I suspect,...

Quoting bubbers44:-



I suspect, bubbers44, that the new (and IMO wrong) procedure was introduced because reduced vertical separation was also approved about that time? That factor might also...
Forum: Tech Log
21st Jul 2011, 17:23
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

I see what you're getting at, xcitation. But the...

I see what you're getting at, xcitation. But the BEA report goes on to say:-

"At 2 h 12 min 02, the PF said "I don’t have any more indications", and the PNF said "we have no valid indications"....
Forum: Tech Log
21st Jul 2011, 16:20
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting sebaska quoting iceman50: ...

Quoting sebaska quoting iceman50:



Please - either of you - please provide a reference to the part of the BEA report you're referring to? I've read it thoroughly, several times, and if it...
Forum: Tech Log
21st Jul 2011, 11:07
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting iceman50:- So this and other...

Quoting iceman50:-


So this and other articles about 'revised procedures' since AF447 and other incidents are all just wrong?

...
Forum: Tech Log
21st Jul 2011, 05:49
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

I agree that that's a key question, poit. The...

I agree that that's a key question, poit. The BEA's report is pre-occupied with 'noseup inputs' on the part of the PF, but even the report credits the PF with a correct response to the 'zoom':-

...
Forum: Tech Log
17th Jul 2011, 07:29
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,674,992
Posted By RWA

Quoting DL-EDI:- The professionals on here...

Quoting DL-EDI:-

The professionals on here can advise you better, DL-EDI - but my understanding is that in this sort of situation (autopilot/autothrust 'sign off,' 'unreliable speed...
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