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12th Dec 2017, 16:16
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Posted By airpolice

I am not suggesting that roads should have been...

I am not suggesting that roads should have been closed.


I am just pointing out that the measures that were agreed, to mitigate some of the risks, were not carried out.

The people who came up...
12th Dec 2017, 10:01
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Posted By airpolice

I don't know which roads ought to have been...

I don't know which roads ought to have been closed, I didn't do the safety case for the air show. My point is that some of the people who did, failed to have it carried out.

They didn't know, but...
11th Dec 2017, 22:33
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Posted By airpolice

You can however, do all that you have agreed...

You can however, do all that you have agreed needs to be done. That didn't happen.
11th Dec 2017, 19:56
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Posted By airpolice

Are you saying that the organisers, council,...

Are you saying that the organisers, council, police and CAA are not responsible for activity outside of the airfield or crowd area?

The crash occurred on the 230m line so isn't that their...
11th Dec 2017, 08:17
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Posted By airpolice

This is just business.

This is not about the operator not paying the pilot, it's about a customer not paying a supplier, who has declined to supply a service.

Should you call a central heating engineer out to your...
5th Dec 2017, 21:42
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Posted By airpolice

You guess wrongly. This is the kind of thing...

You guess wrongly.

This is the kind of thing that needs to be clear in the contract. The amount money involved can be significant.

Failing to complete the task, might be seen as grounds for not...
5th Dec 2017, 17:41
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Posted By airpolice

Financially suicidal I would think. I don't...

Financially suicidal I would think.

I don't know a lot about the airshow business, but I would expect that the organisers might not want to pay, if you don't display.

You will still have...
3rd Dec 2017, 13:31
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Views: 551,834
Posted By airpolice

What's the history of the crown calling AAIB...

What's the history of the crown calling AAIB investigators as witnesses then?

If the prosecution are not allowed to rely on the report, is there a method of preventing them "discovering" the same...
2nd Dec 2017, 23:34
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Posted By airpolice

I suspect that the absence of those elements is...

I suspect that the absence of those elements is why the poster suggested manslaughter rather than murder.
2nd Dec 2017, 14:14
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Posted By airpolice

The post should be allowed to stay. Apart...

The post should be allowed to stay.

Apart from protecting freedom of expression, it is important to accept that there may well be people who agree with a point of view, but choose not to expose...
2nd Dec 2017, 11:35
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Posted By airpolice

Perhaps we should separate the crash from the...

Perhaps we should separate the crash from the shady dealings with maintenance.

Whatever the reason for it coming to light, there have clearly been things happening that were not as per the book.
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7th Nov 2017, 13:28
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Posted By airpolice

Just in case there is another pilot out there,...

Just in case there is another pilot out there, thinking they are alone.....

I don't see any good reason for the police not to have access to anything that is known about the circumstances of such...
30th Mar 2017, 14:42
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Posted By airpolice

How much easier do you want it to be? They...

How much easier do you want it to be?

They might improve things by say, simply coming up with a number of hours flown, in a number of days, on a type. To establish what that number should be,...
28th Mar 2017, 20:50
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Posted By airpolice

2Sheds, why don't you start a thread on air...

2Sheds, why don't you start a thread on air displays and what is and is not required to entertain people?
28th Mar 2017, 20:48
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Posted By airpolice

Biscuit74, you say you are surprised that he...

Biscuit74, you say you are surprised that he displayed it under the circumstances.

That's an important point right there. I suspect that too many "good eggs" are doing stuff they really shouldn't...
28th Mar 2017, 20:35
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Posted By airpolice

Jeez, really? Don't you think it might be...

Jeez, really? Don't you think it might be relevant to this discussion?

Is it really a lot to ask?

That's not just thread drift, that's casting off and steaming away on a new course.
22nd Mar 2017, 20:44
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Posted By airpolice

Biscuit74, I too have wondered about the escape...

Biscuit74, I too have wondered about the escape move, and not having flown a Hunter I can't say that I have any real knowledge of how to do it, but I would expect that practice of that move would...
22nd Mar 2017, 17:56
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Posted By airpolice

But no real castigating of those who failed in...

But no real castigating of those who failed in their duty to protect the public?

I'm thinking of the pre-existing requirements that have not been observed. Why are we not reading of a "blame" for...
22nd Mar 2017, 16:51
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Posted By airpolice

I started this thread to discuss the report, not...

I started this thread to discuss the report, not the crash.


I am concerned that the report makes so little of the failings of those tasked with regulation of the "airshow circus" and...
17th Mar 2017, 16:30
Replies: 1,109
Views: 551,834
Posted By airpolice

For that number of holes to line up, there would...

For that number of holes to line up, there would need to be no cheese at all.
13th Mar 2017, 21:37
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Posted By airpolice

Ideally, the nosewheel should be eased off the...

Ideally, the nosewheel should be eased off the ground between 115 and 135 knots depending on configuration.However, on some aircraft, with the CG well forward, it may prove impossible to lift the...
11th Mar 2017, 20:25
Replies: 1,109
Views: 551,834
Posted By airpolice

Lemain, help me out here then, in relation to the...

Lemain, help me out here then, in relation to the Hunter crash flight, where did you get:



I can't find where you get the idea that the AAIB suggest that the GoPro could see the Altimeter in...
11th Mar 2017, 20:00
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Views: 551,834
Posted By airpolice

Lemain, it also doesn't criticise GoPro as having...

Lemain, it also doesn't criticise GoPro as having poor performance when inverted. The report points out that the video is of "reduced quality" due to contrast. The term "Poor Performance" seems to be...
11th Mar 2017, 19:18
Replies: 1,109
Views: 551,834
Posted By airpolice

I had mistakenly written that the AAIB report...

I had mistakenly written that the AAIB report makes no mention of GoPro by name, it has however referred to GoPro 7 times and Action Camera at 29 other times.
11th Mar 2017, 19:12
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Posted By airpolice

Lemain: A crucial part of this is the term...

Lemain:

A crucial part of this is the term The available evidence
indicates that the aircraft reached a height of approximately 2,700 ft I think this relates to radar derived height info and the...
11th Mar 2017, 18:15
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Posted By airpolice

What the report actually states about the camera...

What the report actually states about the camera evidence:






Can you reference the section of the report that comes from?

Perhaps you are getting confused with this, which in no way...
8th Mar 2017, 21:12
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Views: 551,834
Posted By airpolice

Sillert V.I. I think it important to...

Sillert V.I.

I think it important to consider that whilst we might, we probably wouldn't.

This incident has been turned inside out ONLY because the aircraft hit the ground. The engineering...
5th Mar 2017, 18:17
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Posted By airpolice

Mothminor, I understood that risk to be mitigated...

Mothminor, I understood that risk to be mitigated by the 40 MPH limit.

The lights on green was to prevent a build up of cars.

Was it not the (closed off) right turn lane signals that were...
5th Mar 2017, 17:31
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Views: 551,834
Posted By airpolice

Queuing traffic or not.

I started this thread to discuss the AAIB Report, not to second guess it or come to any conclusion about blame.

My recollection of reports at the time is that the traffic lights were holding the...
3rd Mar 2017, 10:09
Replies: 1,109
Views: 551,834
Posted By airpolice

AAIB investigation to Hawker Hunter T7 G-BXFI 22 August 2015

This is a new thread to discus the AAIB report, released on Friday 3rd March 2017.

There are other threads on pprune discussing the crash, the aftermath and display authority issues.

This...
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