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Forum: Rotorheads
24th May 2023, 16:44
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

That was exactly the cause of the confusion. And...

That was exactly the cause of the confusion. And the refusal of some to acknowledge that VRS and SWP are different.

In answer to your question about the R22 lateral trim - I believe it is to help...
Forum: Rotorheads
24th May 2023, 06:02
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

Chock puller and T28B - if you mix down all the...

Chock puller and T28B - if you mix down all the VRS/SWP threads into one hamster wheel then the analysis of individual incidents like the Edson one will disappear and everyone will just say 'oh no...
Forum: Rotorheads
23rd May 2023, 18:54
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

LW 50 - in answer to your question, yes I would...

LW 50 - in answer to your question, yes I would and have taught lots of pilots to make a downwind approach in those conditions BUT NOT in the manner he did it.

Being able to conduct a safe...
Forum: Rotorheads
22nd May 2023, 08:32
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

You never can resist a dig Sasless..........sad.

You never can resist a dig Sasless..........sad.
Forum: Rotorheads
22nd May 2023, 08:31
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

FDR - the problem with people with your level of...

FDR - the problem with people with your level of education and depth of knowledge is that you often see what is meant to be a simple statement as an affront to accuracy because it isn't supported by...
Forum: Rotorheads
22nd May 2023, 06:09
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

A lovely dismissive series of post there FDR...

A lovely dismissive series of post there FDR without actually adding anything to the thread other than a level of maths that most pilots really don't care about.

Test pilots don't usually talk in...
Forum: Rotorheads
21st May 2023, 21:50
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

The disc can't flap to equality when the cyclic...

The disc can't flap to equality when the cyclic position prevents it from doing so. Doesn't mean it isn't trying to.
Forum: Rotorheads
21st May 2023, 17:35
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

Robbiee - so when you learned about ground...

Robbiee - so when you learned about ground effect, no-one mentioned high pressure air or a bubble under the aircraft? No-one mentioned keeping RoD at slow speed under 300'/min to avoid VRS? No-one...
Forum: Rotorheads
21st May 2023, 11:45
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

AC - most of those links don't work any more...

AC - most of those links don't work any more unfortunately.

I was lucky to find Nick Lappos and Shawn Coyle on these pages 25 years ago and have tried to pass on their wisdom where possible ever...
Forum: Rotorheads
20th May 2023, 13:18
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

No, that is what was taught and promulgated in...

No, that is what was taught and promulgated in some regions - particularly the US but they all seem to understand the difference now.

Settling with Power effectively means running out of power...
Forum: Rotorheads
20th May 2023, 07:17
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

albatross - I believe we are talking at...

albatross - I believe we are talking at cross-purposes here.

My comments about SWP are not to do with the Edson crash at all - that was VRS in my opinion.

The two other 350 links, one to a...
Forum: Rotorheads
19th May 2023, 17:11
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

I'd be interested in your reasons for disagreeing...

I'd be interested in your reasons for disagreeing albatross - for me the low Nr horn is a significant indicator of overpitching and asking for a collective pitch position that the engine can't...
Forum: Rotorheads
18th May 2023, 18:28
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

That one is definitely SWP and not VRS

That one is definitely SWP and not VRS
Forum: Rotorheads
18th May 2023, 08:15
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

I'm not sure what further modelling of VRS will...

I'm not sure what further modelling of VRS will achieve - its existence is well documented and we know that avoiding flight regimes where low IAS is coupled with allowing a significant RoD and...
Forum: Rotorheads
17th May 2023, 06:05
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

The main rotor doesn’t care which way the wind is...

The main rotor doesn’t care which way the wind is coming from so no increase in power required there.

The tail will be more twitchy and you may need more yaw inputs to maintain the heading,...
Forum: Rotorheads
11th May 2023, 15:44
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

yes the conditions were well within the...

yes the conditions were well within the capabilities of the aircraft as Nubian says. I have taught downwind approaches in similar conditions in a 350 to a pretty basic student.
Forum: Rotorheads
11th May 2023, 05:09
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

He could have avoided the crash in many ways,...

He could have avoided the crash in many ways, making his approach to the spot into wind being the most simple.

However, life and ATC aren’t always that simple and he could have made the same...
Forum: Rotorheads
9th May 2023, 15:50
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

All valid points Rotorbee but where is the harsh...

All valid points Rotorbee but where is the harsh flare in the 350 video? There isn't one and what little flare there is comes way too late and is very small.

If he had been shallow and fast I...
Forum: Rotorheads
9th May 2023, 14:45
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

You can come in too hot downwind and get away...

You can come in too hot downwind and get away with it if you are shallow (or level) and understand you will need more power than doing it into wind. Your flare will have little effect once you lose...
Forum: Rotorheads
9th May 2023, 06:27
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

yes an aircraft with a similarly light disc...

yes an aircraft with a similarly light disc loading and low downwash speed.:ok:

It’s not very scientific but I have always considered that the downwash speed of a helicopter in an OGE hover is...
Forum: Rotorheads
8th May 2023, 16:44
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

Settling with power usually comes as a result of...

Settling with power usually comes as a result of trying to establish an OGE hover without the power margin to do so.
Forum: Rotorheads
8th May 2023, 16:39
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

Definitely dumbass I reckon Robbiee :ok:

Definitely dumbass I reckon Robbiee :ok:
Forum: Rotorheads
8th May 2023, 16:38
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

VRS needs 3 conditions to be met - high RoD (0.5...

VRS needs 3 conditions to be met - high RoD (0.5 to 0.75) of your downwash speed, low IAS and then power applied.

In the video he clearly has 2 out of the three thanks to a steep downwind approach...
Forum: Rotorheads
8th May 2023, 12:38
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

The classic way to get VRS is on a downwind...

The classic way to get VRS is on a downwind approach - as he is.

Then let yourself get steep - as he does.

Then start to try to recover with power - as he does.

Then try to reduce speed with...
Forum: Rotorheads
6th May 2023, 19:57
Replies: 133
Views: 17,285
Posted By [email protected]

Agreed, the sudden increase in ROD is a fair...

Agreed, the sudden increase in ROD is a fair indicator of VRS on a downwind approach.

Don’t they teach people how to get from downwind to into wind whilst maintaining ETL any more?
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