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31st Jul 2014, 10:18
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Posted By BOAC

While the UK appears to be in a state of denial...

While the UK appears to be in a state of denial on this, Australia has been very active, possibly due to the number of 146's flying there and believed to have fumes problems. About time we woke up.
22nd Feb 2013, 14:00
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

DB - I finally made contact with my local NHS...

DB - I finally made contact with my local NHS practice, and fortuitously happened on the practice manager who is a CPL and ex RAF. He has confirmed that he had not been able to find an ounce of...
18th Feb 2013, 16:23
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

I understand the emphasis for ground staff is not...

I understand the emphasis for ground staff is not the organo-phosphate contamination, but combustion products. I saw a post on PPR which detailed a study for ground staff somewhere - Germany I think.
17th Feb 2013, 07:49
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

DB - yes, I have seen this repeatedly, but we...

DB - yes, I have seen this repeatedly, but we make little progress in examining the issue.

The message surely is loud and clear - those who may be at risk (possibly all crew) should be demanding...
16th Feb 2013, 12:08
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

That's excellent. 2 of the three unions 'on side'...

That's excellent. 2 of the three unions 'on side' - why is BALPA now apparently 'rubbishing' this? I see the PPU states that an ASR is 'required' for fumes - where is the source for this? Certainly a...
16th Feb 2013, 10:00
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

Until we can be satisfied that the UK has...

Until we can be satisfied that the UK has undertaken a proper study on this topic to establish whether there is a risk or not (cf Australia), and with acknowledgement to Upton Sinclair, I think the...
8th Feb 2013, 16:08
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

Not sure if this link has been placed before, but...

Not sure if this link has been placed before, but it is apparent that the medical authorities in the UK place very little store by this possible risk whereas as you will see from the Australian...
5th Feb 2013, 15:56
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

- if, as seems to be conclusive, this is a real...

- if, as seems to be conclusive, this is a real problem, I suspect very few pax would really like to know they were likely to inhale these fumes.
5th Feb 2013, 11:32
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

Wider and wider? ...

Wider and wider?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/507161-british-airways-777-diverts-goose-bay-fumes-flight-deck-fo-incapacitated.html
29th Jan 2013, 15:37
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

JW - interesting. I recall that there was a court...

JW - interesting. I recall that there was a court case in Aus regarding the 146 and fumes and it does seem to be a recurring theme here. Is there a good case for a more detailed sampling of medical...
29th Jan 2013, 09:01
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

I don't know about Karen but Richard was Airbus. ...

I don't know about Karen but Richard was Airbus.

Unless we are dealing with something like the supposed APU problem on the RJ/146, the issue is actually engine related rather than airframe I think.
28th Jan 2013, 12:27
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

Peter - I think the thrust of the campaign is for...

Peter - I think the thrust of the campaign is for exactly that - clarity. I believe blood tests can establish organo-phosphate exposure, but I do not think they are done on pilots who report 'fumes'....
28th Jan 2013, 10:26
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

Mac - welcome to the topic. Good to see a 'medic'...

Mac - welcome to the topic. Good to see a 'medic' here. I have not seen much out of the US, but a catalogue of 'events' (Europe and Aus only, I think) back to 1997 is here...
27th Jan 2013, 14:13
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

OK - please explain how 'hot section' air gets...

OK - please explain how 'hot section' air gets into the bleed air? There are no bleed air tappings I am aware of after the combustion section, and they would be toxic without any contamination, would...
27th Jan 2013, 13:52
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

IFALPA have jut produced this leaflet...

IFALPA have jut produced this leaflet http://www.aerotoxic.org/download/docs/IFALPA%202013%2013HUPBL01%20-%20Cabin%20air%20quality.pdf - I think however they are mistaken when they say ...
27th Jan 2013, 10:42
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

This appears to have first been recognised as a...

This appears to have first been recognised as a problem in the 70's and the Grauniad carried this article in 2006 Toxic cockpit fumes that bring danger to the skies | Business | The Observer...
27th Jan 2013, 10:18
Replies: 522
Views: 445,400
Posted By BOAC

Walnut -...

Walnut - http://www.pprune.org/safety-crm-qa-emergency-response-planning/505527-low-cost-operator-incapacitation.html see post #4 by JW411

JW - if that was Richard, I would assume his brother, Guy...
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