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Forum: ATC Issues
30th Mar 2024, 09:28
Replies: 14
Views: 1,542
Posted By jumpseater

UK varies from unit to unit, fortunately UK rules...

UK varies from unit to unit, fortunately UK rules and regs don’t allow the daft working hours we see US ATC doing. The unit variation comes in with number of staff, and hours of operation. There’s a...
25th Mar 2024, 09:52
Replies: 691
Views: 298,946
Posted By jumpseater

In the book Jet Age Photographer there’s a...

In the book Jet Age Photographer there’s a picture by Russell Adams showing the tail deformation. The oil canning effect is significant around the tail/fuselage joint and across the rudder too. They...
22nd Mar 2024, 18:12
Replies: 1,502
Views: 546,760
Posted By jumpseater

That will be a discussion between them and their...

That will be a discussion between them and their insurers. The 727’s and coastguard assets should be under an SPO category not CAT.

RFFS cover isn’t required at an unlicensed aerodrome, however...
22nd Mar 2024, 16:32
Replies: 1,502
Views: 546,760
Posted By jumpseater

They operate air ground as an unlicensed...

They operate air ground as an unlicensed aerodrome.
Forum: ATC Issues
13th Feb 2024, 13:47
Replies: 68
Views: 35,888
Posted By jumpseater

As the event was 14 years ago, what was the...

As the event was 14 years ago, what was the outcome?
23rd Jan 2024, 07:53
Replies: 4
Views: 931
Posted By jumpseater

FOD is everyone’s responsibility to report and...

FOD is everyone’s responsibility to report and prevent. Airfield inspections are done regularly and include the manoeuvring areas, aprons and fence lines. Each airfield will have it’s own procedure.
22nd Jan 2024, 17:58
Replies: 41
Views: 19,679
Posted By jumpseater

Correct. One of the first things ATC are...

Correct. One of the first things ATC are considering is which is the nearest available airfield, and which is the nearest suitable airfield, not always the same thing and which airfields to...
19th Jan 2024, 19:46
Replies: 691
Views: 298,946
Posted By jumpseater

https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/archiv...

https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/archive/collections/aerial-photos/record/us_7ph_gp_loc226_rs_4041

1944, and most aircraft look like DC3’s. You can also pick out there was nowhere near...
18th Jan 2024, 18:16
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

The important thing to realise is this didn’t...

The important thing to realise is this didn’t happen in FAA land, therefore what they do is irrelevant in this accident. The US way of operating their ATC and airport operations are significantly...
18th Jan 2024, 17:46
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

All contemporary UK airports to my knowledge use...

All contemporary UK airports to my knowledge use stopbars 24/7/365 where fitted. The use of stopbars if they are ergonomically facilitated into the ATCO control position and lighting panel, doesn’t...
18th Jan 2024, 16:40
Replies: 691
Views: 298,946
Posted By jumpseater

That figure of £400k is fascinating, a huge sum ...

That figure of £400k is fascinating, a huge sum
of money then, equivalent to £16.7m today using the BofE inflation calculator.

George Smileys fore runners were obviously serious about acoustics!
16th Jan 2024, 21:20
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

May I ask if you have any professional pilot, ATC...

May I ask if you have any professional pilot, ATC or airfield operational experience?

No, there was and is NO special exception. The intersection departure the controller appeared to be planning...
16th Jan 2024, 17:12
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

Firstly there is no special clearance, you are...

Firstly there is no special clearance, you are either cleared to enter a runway or not.

Stopbars are a system that are in use worldwide and are in place at Haneda. A stop bar won’t of course...
16th Jan 2024, 15:17
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

I agree however I think one thing should change,...

I agree however I think one thing should change, assuming I’ve understood their AIP, and that is to change to use of 24/7/365 stop bars for runway entry points. If they had been used, (from current...
14th Jan 2024, 13:29
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

I think most people can see the good intent in...

I think most people can see the good intent in your “my runway” call, but aren’t convinced of its practicality or that it will prevent a similar accident.
As an example.
Lets imagine in 2020 ICAO...
10th Jan 2024, 10:07
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

It does. I find it very surprising that this...

It does.

I find it very surprising that this major airport with its traffic volume doesn’t have a “ring of red”, a stopbar or traffic light for every runway entry point with an individual control....
10th Jan 2024, 09:45
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

Thanks. Reading that (4) closely the airport...

Thanks. Reading that (4) closely the airport authority will have questions to answer as to why those stopbars aren’t individually controlled. (5) The stopbars are only in use with 600m viz or less....
10th Jan 2024, 09:32
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

Any taxiway entry point to a runway should...

Any taxiway entry point to a runway should ideally have an ATCO controlled stopbar or a traffic light if it’s a road.
I’ve never heard of a generic stopbar, a stopbar is a stopbar regardless of...
10th Jan 2024, 09:00
Replies: 31
Views: 5,520
Posted By jumpseater

UK CAA Cap413, Chapter4 para 4.34 is the document...

UK CAA Cap413, Chapter4 para 4.34 is the document to look at.
It is remotely possible that Stansted have a local procedure within their Mats Part2 that allows this variation, but I’d be very...
10th Jan 2024, 08:51
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

Really? In the UK the average is 220/yr, 68%...

Really?

In the UK the average is 220/yr, 68% aircraft, 28% vehicles and 8% personnel. In the US it’s 1,500/yr on average. Clearly there’s different volumes of traffic, the US procedure of clearing...
10th Jan 2024, 08:26
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

Thats ridiculous, and highly unlikely. What...

Thats ridiculous, and highly unlikely. What you’re saying is if you deselect a holding bar at runway 26 the holding bar at runway 08 goes out as well…. That means if stop bars weren’t individually...
9th Jan 2024, 20:23
Replies: 31
Views: 5,520
Posted By jumpseater

No, not correct. A uk controller can only use a...

No, not correct. A uk controller can only use a conditional clearance for the first aircraft on approach. If a clearance is given to line up after the second/third landing aircraft, that is incorrect...
9th Jan 2024, 19:38
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

Nail on head.

Nail on head.
9th Jan 2024, 19:37
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

You’re not wrong regarding the greetings, however...

You’re not wrong regarding the greetings, however you’ll note that whenever the ATCO workload on and off frequency goes above a certain level, the first thing to go are those greetings and sign offs....
9th Jan 2024, 17:03
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

There shouldn’t be any confusion generated by...

There shouldn’t be any confusion generated by using Number 1. It’s not part of, or a take off clearance, so it shouldn’t be a trigger for a crew to enter a live runway, or be assumed/confused as...
9th Jan 2024, 15:38
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

Absolutely, Luton includes backtracking too....

Absolutely, Luton includes backtracking too. Watching their ATC team and the aircrew coordinating and playing nicely is an education in itself.
9th Jan 2024, 15:30
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

Landing traffic is advised of a departure ahead,...

Landing traffic is advised of a departure ahead, but at that time they (Uk/European+Japan?) are not cleared to land, they are instructed to continue approach. Only when the departure is physically...
7th Jan 2024, 13:52
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

They wil be high quality digital recordings, and...

They wil be high quality digital recordings, and a minimum of one secondary simultaneous recoded ‘tape’. At most units (UK), if a recorder/s are u/s then operations have to cease on whatever...
7th Jan 2024, 12:51
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

It looks like you might not understand ICAO ATC...

It looks like you might not understand ICAO ATC separations and how they are applied. As you’re telling us there wasn’t sufficient time, please clarify what wake separations you are referring to, and...
6th Jan 2024, 17:18
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

Re “departure”. It shouldn’t do and whilst not...

Re “departure”.
It shouldn’t do and whilst not impossible I think extremely unlikely to have contributed to the misunderstanding that clearly occurred.
“Departure” isn’t used in the take off...
6th Jan 2024, 10:03
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

Do keep up...

Do keep up https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/656665-jal-incident-haneda-airport-22.html#post11567415
6th Jan 2024, 09:48
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

People need to stop suggesting ways of making...

People need to stop suggesting ways of making frequencies busier and easier to miss transmissions or have them stepped on, and repeated, and stepped on again etc etc. It’s not just at busy...
5th Jan 2024, 21:08
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

It can be either actually, you do make a good...

It can be either actually, you do make a good point which I missed. In particular if it's an accident imminent ie a known landing gear problem then some operations can continue simultaneously, which...
5th Jan 2024, 18:34
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

My thoughts 1/ Probably routine with no...

My thoughts
1/ Probably routine with no surprises. The departure clearance (airborne route) could be given by "delivery" or "ground". The DH8 then taxi's and when established on C taxiway gets...
5th Jan 2024, 15:12
Replies: 1,146
Views: 1,045,437
Posted By jumpseater

@waito, Again, there is no such thing as a hold...

@waito, Again, there is no such thing as a hold short line.

It is a stop bar and or holding point. The distinction here is particularly relevant with this accident.

Hold short is an instruction...
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