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Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
15th Dec 2019, 22:30
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

I don't believe so either; but it's not beyond...

I don't believe so either; but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that in preparation for her speech they offered her "helpful advice". They did with Justice Mahon after all.

(And yes -...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
15th Dec 2019, 19:44
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Indeed, Prospector. Yet - genuine question -...

Indeed, Prospector.

Yet - genuine question - why is it the public are never presented with this stuff? Why is it they are only ever exposed to Mahon's "Maria Collins approved" conspiracy theory?...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
15th Dec 2019, 07:50
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Even if you completely accept Vette's whiteout...

Even if you completely accept Vette's whiteout hypotheses (and why would you - it was almost completely made up by him and his brother and you'll find nary a scientific paper written on the subject)...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
14th Dec 2019, 20:31
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

It's been done many times before, but sure, allow...

It's been done many times before, but sure, allow me to explain again.

To exonerate Collins from responsibility, as Mahon did, it is necessary to believe all of the below

- that his decision to...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
14th Dec 2019, 02:04
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Thank you for your erudite advice and concise...

Thank you for your erudite advice and concise post AerialPerspective; I shall give both the respect they deserve.

The term "Mahon disciple" is not inappropriate. There are users here who, rather...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
13th Dec 2019, 21:26
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Why is that so many of the Mahon disciples seem...

Why is that so many of the Mahon disciples seem to have trouble seeing middle ground? There's no one here, that I'm aware of, who is saying Collins was wholely responsible for this accident. Yes, Air...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
11th Dec 2019, 23:24
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Bull****. Find me ONE person on record who has...

Bull****. Find me ONE person on record who has said this. You can't. This is simply an image if him that's been created through popular culture extrapolated from his actions on the day.

Similarly,...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
11th Dec 2019, 18:55
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Collins made gargantuan errors with gargantuan...

Collins made gargantuan errors with gargantuan consequences.



Hearsay. By what actual criteria do you assess someone as 'methodical" and then extrapolate that to the likelihood of making an...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
11th Dec 2019, 07:47
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

You mean they *would* have been virtually over...

You mean they *would* have been virtually over the coastline of Mt Byrd had they been where they supposedly thought they were. And yes, never mentioned it.



Absolutely. But the Mahon report was...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
11th Dec 2019, 05:46
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

True, even if you had a panel of experienced...

True, even if you had a panel of experienced pilots in any live cockpit in marginal conditions you would never get complete agreement as to what does and what doesn't constitute VMC. Collins...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
11th Dec 2019, 01:48
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

EXACTLY megan. Or, as Collins himself put it...

EXACTLY megan. Or, as Collins himself put it "very hard to tell the difference between cloud and ice".

You don't need to resort to some dastardly optical illusion to understand if you're flying at...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
10th Dec 2019, 22:07
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

........... and in particular for this flight, in...

........... and in particular for this flight, in the conditions they had.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
10th Dec 2019, 21:00
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

If one was going to argue "if only they'd stayed...

If one was going to argue "if only they'd stayed at 6000', then the accident definitely would not have happened"; I agree this is incorrect (although it *might* not have happened - who knows what...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
10th Dec 2019, 19:23
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Maybe, maybe not. It's impossible to extrapolate...

Maybe, maybe not. It's impossible to extrapolate what would have happened at 6000' (which in any case is still 10,000' below MSA). But the descent to 1500' from 6000' is ABSOLUTELY not a...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
10th Dec 2019, 19:04
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

......... which is utterly irrelevant. Mahon made...

......... which is utterly irrelevant. Mahon made a big deal of this, arguing that Collins was simply too amazing a pilot to be ABLE to make the basic errors of airmanship that were being alleged....
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
9th Dec 2019, 23:22
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Going on and on with vitriol? Dark Knight do you...

Going on and on with vitriol? Dark Knight do you even see the irony?
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
9th Dec 2019, 19:08
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Well said. Mahon's snippets of aviation...

Well said.

Mahon's snippets of aviation knowledge were indeed embarrassing. Not least of which was his assertion that "anecdotally, Air NZ crews had found the INS to be unerringly accurate...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
9th Dec 2019, 17:37
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

I'll save him the bother. "Because the Hon....

I'll save him the bother. "Because the Hon. Justice Mahon declared the cause was the change in Navagation coordinates with the airline neglecting to tell the crew combined with the polar phenomenon...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
9th Dec 2019, 07:48
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Do you think? This is often quoted, but I'm not...

Do you think? This is often quoted, but I'm not sure. Where is the actual evidence that there was political interference with Chippindale? Air New Zealand didn't exactly come up smelling of roses in...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
9th Dec 2019, 06:53
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Whereas your own child-like, rose tinted...

Whereas your own child-like, rose tinted messianic view of Mahon report is .........well, not loveable.



Nonsense. Maurice Williamson, as Minister of Transport "tabled the Mahon report in...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
8th Dec 2019, 16:18
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

EXACTLY right prospector 1. Firstly, if...

EXACTLY right prospector

1. Firstly, if everyone before you breaks the rules and gets away with it, at most all that history does is put your own actions into context when you break the same...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
7th Dec 2019, 22:54
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Disagree. It was Mahon who put the cart before...

Disagree. It was Mahon who put the cart before the horse. If you read his book, it's clear he was manipulated by ALPA from early on and clear he failed to maintain an open mind until he'd heard all...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
7th Dec 2019, 22:50
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Failure to confirm position prior to descent was...

Failure to confirm position prior to descent was certainly an error of judgment and airmanship but it was far from the only one and far from the last one. If he had confirmed position, the accident...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
7th Dec 2019, 21:19
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

It did indeed. The reason was, that Mahon could...

It did indeed. The reason was, that Mahon could not reconcile his own conclusion with a body of evidence that contradicted it. Therefore he had to reject that evidence as lies.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
7th Dec 2019, 20:17
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Prince Andrew & Brian Epstein?? Wasn't aware of...

Prince Andrew & Brian Epstein?? Wasn't aware of that one; presumably Andrew wanted front row seats to a Beatles concert and gave Brian "favours" in return. Or did you mean Jeffrey Epstein?
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
6th Dec 2019, 21:35
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Why would he? If he'd been told, he would have...

Why would he? If he'd been told, he would have been told of the new waypoint and conducted his flight in exactly the same way.

Suppose TE901s changed track was not as a result of the Navigation...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
6th Dec 2019, 17:22
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Just one of several lapses of judgment which...

Just one of several lapses of judgment which surrounded that particular descent, which would seem to have been carried out on a whim. Firstly, there was no crew briefing and no discussion as to what...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
5th Dec 2019, 03:44
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

Not you, not me, not the Chief Inspector of Air...

Not you, not me, not the Chief Inspector of Air Accidents (a man of incredible warmth and intelligence who I knew briefly) nor a multitude of highly qualified unbiased observers and commentators.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
5th Dec 2019, 00:46
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

No. Impossible that any of those...

No.



Impossible that any of those things will; the only thing that might is money. And given that the only people that could be charged with a crime are dead, and as you say the institutions...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
4th Dec 2019, 22:02
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

I have no idea why; but getting back to...

I have no idea why; but getting back to TE901..... there is no-one here that I am aware of who is suggesting the cause was "only Collins".
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
4th Dec 2019, 21:48
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

But if the pilots as a group start flying down...

But if the pilots as a group start flying down to..... oh, I don't know, 1500 feet, and one of them hits rising ground they didn't expect to be there and didn't see because of the low cloud cover,...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
4th Dec 2019, 07:26
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

And send the flight to Essendon when the crew...

And send the flight to Essendon when the crew think they're going to Tullamarine.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
4th Dec 2019, 07:14
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

The irony is that that wouldn't lower the tone of...

The irony is that that wouldn't lower the tone of Queen St. terribly much.

I think the "five or six extra people" refers to the fact that the cockpit door was open, and people were milling around.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
3rd Dec 2019, 07:34
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

There would have been no need to debate LSALT,...

There would have been no need to debate LSALT, what constitutes VMC conditions, white out, CVR recordings, FDR configurations and the plethora of other assumptions, innuendos, insinuations and...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
2nd Dec 2019, 23:01
Replies: 502
Views: 161,270
Posted By PapaHotel6

This ^. End of.

This ^. End of.
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