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Posted By Showbo

DMJ: Actually, they may not have been...

DMJ:



Actually, they may not have been particularly aware of the terrain. The thing about BHM is that it's hilly, not mountainous. I can't remember if the NTSB has established whether either of...
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Posted By Showbo

GlobalNav.... Non taken. I'm just trying to be...

GlobalNav....
Non taken. I'm just trying to be circumspect about my comments ;)
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Posted By Showbo

DMJ618: Sorry, DMJ, you're not getting many...

DMJ618:

Sorry, DMJ, you're not getting many takers!

Your comments are all valid, and yes, I wouldn't have been offended by a "heads up" on the LOC18.

One of the risks you list....."- low...
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Posted By Showbo

aterpster: Yes, it does, and it does...

aterpster:



Yes, it does, and it does EXACTLY the same for a BHM LOC 18 flown in Profile Mode (Airbus speak for VNAV). Forgive me if I'm wrong but I'm getting the impression that you think that...
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Posted By Showbo

aterpster: Nope.... GlobalNav is...

aterpster:



Nope.... GlobalNav is correct. With the exception that the crew would have selected NAV instead of LOC for the roll mode (and an interim step-down fix prior to BASKN), the two...
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Posted By Showbo

mm43 But the autopilot was still on...

mm43



But the autopilot was still on until 7 seconds AFTER the Sink Rate warning. That's not to say that micro sleep wasn't a distinct possibility because there was a lot of stuff not happening...
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Posted By Showbo

....... and not verifying the step down altitude...

....... and not verifying the step down altitude at IMTOY too.



I agree completely. But bear in mind that the sink rate alert and their emergence from cloud occurred pretty much simultaneously....
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Posted By Showbo

Reference.... ...

Reference....
http://dms.ntsb.gov/public%2F55000%2D55499%2F55307%2F550789%2Epdf
....."Aircraft Performance Study" pages 24 and 25.....



.....and pages 29 and 30....
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Posted By Showbo

"As well as a couple hundred feet below the PAPI...

"As well as a couple hundred feet below the PAPI slope at point of impact. Red lights only."

Take a look at Document 42 ATC 3 - Attachment 1 - BAA - ATC Airport Emergency Operating...
22nd Feb 2014, 16:55
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Posted By Showbo

Airbubba: A lot of your questions are...

Airbubba:

A lot of your questions are covered in the Operational Factors report here:

http://dms.ntsb.gov/public%2F55000%2D55499%2F55307%2F550741%2Epdf



Look at page 57 of the report....
22nd Feb 2014, 06:07
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Posted By Showbo

Airbubba: No, it doesn't apply to the...

Airbubba:



No, it doesn't apply to the LOC 18, it only applies to the circumstances in your quote. Based on what they said, I suspect the crew were a little hazy about this.



Yes, I think...
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