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Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
19th Jul 2020, 05:19
Replies: 2,528
Views: 1,048,881
Posted By Lone pine

Normanton You are absolutely correct when you...

Normanton
You are absolutely correct when you say “ Don’t listen to senior crew” you and anyone else who is concerned should seek advice from AIPA and the company. This forum is anonymous and full...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
24th Jul 2013, 12:34
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Hempy, If only things were as simple as your...

Hempy,

If only things were as simple as your interpretation of that CAR.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
21st Jul 2013, 05:39
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Porch Monkey, That's sounds fair. I believe...

Porch Monkey,

That's sounds fair. I believe that QF did just that in that they tracked straight to the IAF and shot an approach.

If you had done as you describe and not attempted a DME arrival...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
21st Jul 2013, 04:34
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Shagpile Looking at that TAF and METAR I see...

Shagpile

Looking at that TAF and METAR I see nothing remarkable.
The prelim report mentions for example that the QF and VA were both estimating ADL past 2300z.

If the METAR is reporting 9999...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
20th Jul 2013, 14:10
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Yeah and what if Broken Hill had unforecast fog...

Yeah and what if Broken Hill had unforecast fog on arrival?
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
20th Jul 2013, 13:55
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Geez blogs Broken Hill better than Mildura...

Geez blogs

Broken Hill better than Mildura on the day? Is that remark based on the forecast and metars or just hindsight.

You may as well argue that these guys should have gone to Broken Hill...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
19th Jul 2013, 13:10
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Thumbs up Thanks. All in all a fantastic job by both...

Thanks.

All in all a fantastic job by both crew! No matter which way you look at it. In particular the VA guys in achieving a safe landing with no vis.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
19th Jul 2013, 12:56
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Excuse my ignorance nitpicker. It's just that I...

Excuse my ignorance nitpicker.
It's just that I was under the impression that there were clearly defined intercept angles for these types of approach fixes.

Maybe I'm confused.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
19th Jul 2013, 12:44
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Good post Jaba! Another interesting fact is...

Good post Jaba!

Another interesting fact is that VA actually made three attempted approaches.
One attempt at a visual
One at an instrument below minima and one more to the zero vis landing.
...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
19th Jul 2013, 06:29
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Gazumped I accept that the VA crew...

Gazumped

I accept that the VA crew deliberately descended below minima as part of their fact finding mission.

I also accept however that the QF crew deliberately descended below minima to try...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
19th Jul 2013, 06:09
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Gazumped Mate the VA guys descend by 260...

Gazumped

Mate the VA guys descend by 260 feet below minima on a fact finding mission without preparing the cabin.

Those poor QF guys descend by 150 feet without preparing the cabin but OH NO...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
19th Jul 2013, 05:53
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Neville The worsening weather could very well...

Neville
The worsening weather could very well have been the difference.
I mean in reading some of the report detail it appears that VA started their first approach nearly 10 minutes after QF.
...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 14:16
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Gazumped Following on from your comments I...

Gazumped

Following on from your comments I will draw your attention to the report.
If you read it carefully you will note that the VA also descended below minima to 300 feet ( 150 feet above...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 12:52
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

What are you referring to in fuelling up and...

What are you referring to in fuelling up and shooting through? Also are you saying that landing below minima when you don't have fuel to go anywhere else is only legal if your down to vapours?
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 12:40
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

On the money SKKM! I say the QF crew displayed...

On the money SKKM!
I say the QF crew displayed sound and smart judgment in doing what they did.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 12:24
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Insufficient fuel to divert. Only airport turning...

Insufficient fuel to divert. Only airport turning to pea soup.
Justification enough I would have thought.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 12:15
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Gazumped You seem to think that one has to...

Gazumped
You seem to think that one has to have or declare a fuel emergency before doing what QF did.
That's simple minded logic.
The rules state that only in an emergency can one descend below...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 11:57
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Yes that's right Gazumped obey the rules and land...

Yes that's right Gazumped obey the rules and land with 535 kg in the tanks.
Your kidding right? Seems to me that QF crew did what they had to do to avoid just that.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 11:50
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Gazumped You keep banging on about QF busting...

Gazumped
You keep banging on about QF busting the minima without an emergency.
I don't know about you buddy but if I didn't have fuel to divert and my only airport was turning to **** I'd be...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 11:33
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

You guys have got to be kidding right? QF...

You guys have got to be kidding right?
QF advised the VA crew of their intention to do an approach and stated that they had fuel issues. They then ask VA what their intentions were.
VA after...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 07:23
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

No ****e! I think both the QF and VA crews...

No ****e!

I think both the QF and VA crews managed their individual situations superbly under very trying circumstances.
Both aircraft safely on the ground.
What an absolute balls up of a...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
11th Jul 2013, 06:39
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Porch Monkey, You say that Virgin diverted...

Porch Monkey,

You say that Virgin diverted first. Do you know by how much time they were ahead of QF?
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
8th Jul 2013, 02:53
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Hempy, What was that about AUTO on the YMIA...

Hempy,

What was that about AUTO on the YMIA metars?
From what I am hearing the AUTO (AWIS) was notamed out.
The metars would presumably have been issued from human observations.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
7th Jul 2013, 06:07
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Prince I don't know about so called less...

Prince

I don't know about so called less knowledgeable pilots as you put it, but the Metars for Mildura were not produced by automated services as they were on the blink.

So how did the BOM get...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
30th Jun 2013, 07:16
Replies: 838
Views: 647,654
Posted By Lone pine

Question Since when did it become a requirement to declare...

Since when did it become a requirement to declare a mayday before deciding what to do with your aircraft in the interests of safety?

Isn't a mayday defined as grave and imminent danger?

Does...
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