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18th Oct 2007, 00:29
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Posted By pilot-br

Just one more provocative reflection: That day, a...

Just one more provocative reflection: That day, a dozen of aircrafts received clearances of the same format as Legacy received, and for years they are receiving this kind of clearance, as the...
17th Oct 2007, 23:43
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

ATC Watch: Folha: This is not new and...

ATC Watch:

Folha:

This is not new and was mentioned by leaked report of CENIPA, as:
19:48:13s to 19:52:07s (three minutes before collision): the Legacy tried twelve times, always without...
17th Oct 2007, 17:02
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

ATC Watcher, You are arguing that airspace...

ATC Watcher,

You are arguing that airspace safety improvement and criminal liability are mutually exclusive, and they aren't. We want our skies safer, we fly here, so I am more interested than...
17th Oct 2007, 16:47
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

lomapaseo, We are entering in a...

lomapaseo,



We are entering in a wider debate about justice, and I totally agree with you that truth depends on the eyes of the judge, in EVERY judgment, and not only aircraft accident...
17th Oct 2007, 13:52
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

But Ace Rimmer, this is the law and Constitution,...

But Ace Rimmer, this is the law and Constitution, everywhere. And CENIPA doesn't have justice power. If someone don't want to talk to CENIPA, they may, and justice may cite them, justice can even...
17th Oct 2007, 12:54
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

Ace Rimmer Liability was not...

Ace Rimmer



Liability was not estabilished yet. No one was convicted, hearings are just starting. No one, controllers and pilots, will be condemned without independant technica investigation...
17th Oct 2007, 12:27
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

Ace Rimmer, That is why I said "They...

Ace Rimmer,


That is why I said "They should know better the Constitution and the laws in their own countries"
17th Oct 2007, 12:19
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

Ace Rimmer Because Constitution and the...

Ace Rimmer


Because Constitution and the Parliamentary Commission of Inquiry supersedes Annex 13. Annex 13 applies only to NTSB/CENIPA investigation, and criminal negligency must be investigated...
17th Oct 2007, 11:50
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

Markjoy, Please, let me repeat CENIPA...

Markjoy,


Please, let me repeat CENIPA conclusions:
"7. There were no incorrect indications nor the appearance of unknown signals on the radar screens of the air traffic controllers’ consoles;...
17th Oct 2007, 11:20
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

barit1 The answer is no, but the airways...

barit1


The answer is no, but the airways are different and Brazilian pilots should know the airways rules of the airspace they are flying.
17th Oct 2007, 10:42
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

This is the reading of testimony of the...

This is the reading of testimony of the controller who issued the wrong clearance at Senate. Maybe it helps to understand what happened:

SENATOR DEMOSTENES TORRES: “Sergeant Felipe S.R. were not...
17th Oct 2007, 10:31
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

Glueball, When Brasilia lost transponder...

Glueball,

When Brasilia lost transponder signal, 1 hour before collision, and this was displayed at their ATC screen, they immediately should have called Legacy, ... and they didn’t. 30 before...
17th Oct 2007, 01:10
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

Con Pilot, No Con Pilot, NTSB/CENIPA is...

Con Pilot,


No Con Pilot, NTSB/CENIPA is blaming the pilots, besides transponder issue, for not requesting an ammended clearance when they received a clearly incorrect (FL370 in UZ6) and...
17th Oct 2007, 00:56
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

I don't know why people here are worried about...

I don't know why people here are worried about finding ONE cause (ONE guilty). ALL of them have their responsabilities: pilots, controllers and their bosses.
17th Oct 2007, 00:45
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

PS: I, personally, blame the pilots bosses --...

PS:
I, personally, blame the pilots bosses -- that were in the Legacy as passengers and almost lost their lives-- and controllers bosses -- that were in controlling room -- and didn't give them...
17th Oct 2007, 00:33
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

Are not (only) the posters here that are blaming....

Are not (only) the posters here that are blaming. Are NTSB, CENIPA, almost all pilots in Brazil, all controllers, all newspapers and all magazines.
17th Oct 2007, 00:27
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

IFALPA and IFATCA are non-governamental...

IFALPA and IFATCA are non-governamental organization, that talks in the name of the defendants. They should know better the Constitution and the laws in their own countries:

US Code of Federal...
16th Oct 2007, 23:05
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

ATC Watcher, Are you saying that we are not...

ATC Watcher,

Are you saying that we are not facing "ATC issuing an incorrect ATC clearance?". I thought we were :rolleyes:

Just remembering:
"It is worth clarifying that the “UZ6” airway has...
16th Oct 2007, 19:14
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

It seems that Asia are facing same issues as us: ...

It seems that Asia are facing same issues as us:

International Civil Aviation Organization
The Seventh Meeting of the Regional Airspace Safety Monitoring Advisory Group (RASMAG/7)
Bangkok,...
16th Oct 2007, 19:09
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

Rob21, Legacy called ATC only a few...

Rob21,


Legacy called ATC only a few minutes before accident, so radio was ok until that moment, but ATC called Legacy 30 minutes before collision and had no answer!!! This would be the moment,...
16th Oct 2007, 17:32
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

Not necessary, I've found: "f. Cleared to...

Not necessary, I've found:

"f. Cleared to (destination) airport as filed” does NOT include the en route altitude filed in a flight plan. An en route altitude will be stated in the clearance or...
16th Oct 2007, 16:00
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

Please also give your justification, with...

Please also give your justification, with reference to ICAO procedures.
15th Oct 2007, 23:12
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

I think that there is no "sides" here. It's a...

I think that there is no "sides" here. It's a factual debate.
15th Oct 2007, 22:58
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

One more no-pilot stupid question: If they were...

One more no-pilot stupid question: If they were cleared to Manaus why they deviated to Brasília instead of going by Goiania :confused:
15th Oct 2007, 22:44
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

The following affirmative was published by Folha...

The following affirmative was published by Folha (biggest Brazillian newspaper) and all Brazilian newspapers as an extract of NTSB/CENIPA final report (It's not my words, it's not my opinion. Don't...
15th Oct 2007, 17:05
Replies: 1,634
Views: 674,453
Posted By pilot-br

Who asked you to explain us anything? We,...

Who asked you to explain us anything? We, Brazilians, are just reporting you NTSB/CENIPA conclusions published by the newspaper, and it seems that they don’t agree with you. And, it seems that many...
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