Shell Management;

As usual your blind arrogance has led you to not read a post correctly. Re-read my post and you will see that often the airlines lead the regulators on safety.

I formally and publicly invite you to come and see all of my company operations manuals and to see just how they cover so much of the SMS case, from how engineers should work at height, how operations must plan and prepare a flight and how the pilots must fly it, I think you will be amazed at just how the safety case is covered.

A condition of my invitation is that you fulfil Galaxy Flyer's request and reveal on this forum exactly what your aviation experience and background is.

VH

Indeed, within the FAA system, many AD's and SB's have derived from operators concerns over certain issues, which the regulator has looked into and conferred and presented an NPRM, enabling those affected to address the variances in certain issues. many NPRM's have as such provoked further revision of NPRM's in the name of safety.

as VH points out the withdrawal or suspension of an AoC may not necessarily be due to safety issues in relation to the operation or maintenance of the fleet, indeed when this is the case, the AoC holder would have been subject to an inspection and been provided notices of it's failings with requirements to meet regulatory standards or face re-percussive actions. (namely suspension of the AoC)

Economic safety is also a prime driver in the suspension of the AoC and the largest cause of AoC revocation or suspension due to the failings of providing 'economic authority'. Again the AoC holder will be advised of the concerns and given rectification demands or re-percussive actions, at which point the need for funding is required and if not achieved in the capacity required, revocation will follow.

so your presentation is actually disingenuous SM.

do you have case to substantiate that claim or is that personal conjecture ?

Shell certainly makes this claim in the bochure above, dated June 2010:

SM may want to consider these words in relation to the fact Shell were fined over £1mn this week for an explosion in the Bacton gas plant in the UK that would probably have killed 10 people if they were not doing a shift change in the admin block.

BBC News - Gas terminal blast: Shell fined £1m plus £242,000 costs

See also this article from earlier in the week on the death of a worker on Shell's Brent C after a fall overboard:
BBC News - Brent Charlie oil platform death fall man named

The same complex was shut down earlier in the year after a large piece of Brent B fell into the sea at the start of this year:
Brent fender falls off - Offshore.no International

Brent B has a fatal history and another record fine:
Shell Brent Bravo deaths 'preventable' | Business | The Guardian

See also this:
Shell Brent Bravo Deaths: Criminal Investigation uncovers lies, deceit and potential corruption – Royal Dutch Shell plc .com

Shell have also picked up record breaking HSE fines at their Stanlow refinery after an oil spill and even their head office (after a fire).

What is the real outrage, that people listen to Shell Aircraft's nonsense.

No they don't squib (if they have half a brain). SM has the Pprune contract for the provision of comidic relief. :ok: Thanks for the links of Shell showing we peons the way forward safety wise.

The really sad thing is that occasionally SM may have something useful to offer but it's likely to be overlooked because it's lost in the rest of the uninformed detritus.

Okay I'm lost now. Where in hell did Squib "drag up anti-capitalist nonsense?"

All he showed were facts about Shell fouling up on safety and getting fined for it.

Quite frankly SM if you think they are the safety experts its a bloody good job that aviation isn't following them. With leadership like that it would be raining aircraft, and it would always be someone else's fault.

SM you do write some good posts (I'm thinking the Africa thread on Rotorheads) Please tell me, whisper it into my perfectly formed porcelain ear if you have to, are you really on here to take the piss out of Shell by winding the rest of us up? If you are its working, if not then somewhere (Den Hague apparently, but I have doubts) there is a seriously delusional fantasist on the loose with access to the internet and possibly Shell labs. Its beyond the scope of most nightmares:eek:

SM reminds me of an ex senior figure in Shell Aircraft Services who served in (to my knowledge) Africa and Aberdeen who had an innate ability to wind up everyone he came into contact with, was a master pedant and who left the organisation a number of years ago to the relief of many and probably not at his planned exit point.

In the Oil & Gas food chain the operator is king. In the UK both Shell and BP have long histories of dictatorial practices of safety management systems to subcontractors often at the expense of common sense while sadly suffering the consequences of failures in those systems within their own organisations.

One thing this forum is good at is attracting these characters with oblique viewpoints who usually manage a fairly decent sustained run before finally being found out. :)

SM, who are the 'experts' you are referring to?:hmm:

Shell Management: Please respond to Galaxy Flyer's Post #126 and Vertical Hold's Post #127 by stating your experience and qualifcations to make the many statements you have made regarding safety throughout PPrune. If you choose not to do so you will certainly have lost all credibility and, as Brian Abraham states in his Post #130, you'll simply be regarded as 'comic relief'.

Hello Saint Jack et al,
I see we and others are still waiting for SM to answer those questions put to him/her. I was interested (at one stage) to see if SM would/could back him/herself but his/her opportunity has well & truly passed now and it's time to move on.......

My thanks to the thread contributors for their interesting and valuable input arguing the points that SM contrived and used to try and mislead us into thinking he/she knew something of what he/she was on about. Clearly this individual didn't and doesn't.

Have a great day & Stay safe........ :ok:

Tox;

I reckon that SM is so vastly qualified that its' taking him/her nearly a month to remember all his/her safety qualifications and years of experience in the business, after all its 26 days since post 127.

Wow! Imagine being such an expert:E

VH

Exactly a month since galaxy Flyer and VerticalHold asked Shell Management to state his/her qualifications to make the kind of statements he/she does, and oddly no reply.

Shell Management you are obviously a fake, so do us all a favour now and stay away from anything to do with aviation.

Aviation professionals offered you the chance to prove yourself, as they would to anyone wanting to enter the field. You have been found wanting, in aviation there is rarely a second chance, you have failed, leave aviation to those who know it, understand it, and fight to keep stupidity out of it.

SND

shell where can I find the report you quote from? The bit about extra surveillance on JET2 AND TITAN:

Well it is rather odd, or to put it another way blatant hypocracy, to accuse people of hiding when that is exactly what you are doing. Of course we only have your word that you are an expert.

Personally I doubt it, because if you haven't seen the elephant in the room in that link you provided above, you're the last person I'd take any advice from. That's not a personal attack, just a statement of fact purely on the basis that you obviously can't see an issue when its written down in front of you.

Mmmmmmm..........

BBC News - Ogoniland oil spills: Shell admits Nigeria liability

XXXXXX, sorry I mean SM, why do you waste your time in this playgound? You have the ear of management.

ID deleted - JT

All

heres a link to a presentation given by a representative from the oil and gas industry, to CASA, back in 2001. The subject was "When will aviation start preparing safety cases"?

Clarified a few things for me.

B rgds

BS

Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Professor Patrick Hudson video

pukka whether it is XXXXX or not your post is in bad taste.

Shell expresses his/her opinion just like everyone else. take it or leave it but outing is a no go

Thanks - I missed that first time around - JT

Nice video, making some good points.

It is a pity that 'certain' posters here do not display the clear knowledge, balance and good humour by that presenter.

Shame that the name is still in the link to the video though.....