How to log time to FIR boundary?
 

Hi everyone,

I put a question a few months ago on a JAA CPL ME doing flights in light twins overseas for example Birmingham to Knock in N reg a/c. Since then I have only been co piloting flights out of the Uk and not taking P1 since I wouldn't be able to log time, had only 2 flights overseas and not legally allowed to be in charge past the FIR boundary. I remember I think Keygrip said I could act as P1 to the FIR boundary and I would then change roles with the american rated pilot. Well I got a lot of flights in the near future out of the Uk and would be missing out on a lot of loggable time to the FIR boundary which I really need.

My question is how would I enter flights under the destinations column to the FIR boundary? Should I put co-ordinates? Also want my log book to look presentable and entries as appropiate to how the CAA wants. I hope this has come across clear and any help would be much appreciated.

Best regards,

Mooneyboy:ok:

Can't you just put the entire routing of the flight (London - New York or whatever), then log 1.3 hours P1, and the rest as P2. Do you need to have the P1 logged as its own flight?

I see where your coming from aerocat but the thing I'm not sure about is can you log P2 time if the a/c is single pilot. Its a Seneca V which I am very sure is just single pilot and doesnt require any multi crew element.

Could you correct me if I'm wrong cause, I would like to log it the way aerocat has suggested but not totally sure about the a/c been SP.

Mooneyboy

Ah yes, you wouldn't be able to log any P2 then. Perhaps you can log the time to the FIR only, don't log any of the rest of the time, then in the remarks column put something to the effect of "P1 till FIR boundary."

Someone with better knowledge of your rules and regs will have to tell you whether you can have more than one P1 for a single flight though (i.e., is it legal to change P1 halfway through the flight.)

A question for you, are you REALLY P1 for that first part of the flight? If there is an in flight emergency, will you be handling it? If there is some weather, do you have the authority to call off the flight and turn back? Or does the other guy have ultimate responsibilty for the entire flight?

(I'm assuming "P1" is the same as "Pilot in Command", we don't use "P1" and "P2" in Australia.)

Flying within the Uk and me as P1 I would handle the emergency and in terms of weather I have already had a situation where I've taken the decision to do a diversion. The other guy is a lot more experienced than me so we definately consult each other on big decisions like wise when he is P1. Its more a level cockpit environment. In terms of flying duties we approach it most of the time ( sometimes I do the lot) where P1 does the flying and nav and co pilot does the radio. The a/c insurance requires two pilots to be aboard when passengers are carried so it can be boring for the other guy if he does a flight but just sits there so thats why we share the duties like a multi crew environment.

On the trips abroad I'm sure you can legally P1/PIC from the right so that was what we where thinking of doing. Over the FIR boundary he would then P1 from the left.

Mooneyboy