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Should the captain apologise to passengers for bone jarring landing

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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 20:58
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Aggressive braking to vacate is definitely a theme. I brief FOs to plan a comfortable exit based on perf calcs... it’s not an achievement, after an stretching the flare for a smooth TD, to then slam the brakes on just to make E at Gatwick.

Regarding all this talk of ‘maybe they were told to vacate at next exit’... Being told to vacate at [whichever] taxiway is almost never a flight safety request, and if followed by flight crew too eagerly at the wrong moment it can certainly become one.

A well planned landing IAW landing performance calcs shouldn’t be a hard braking excercise... in the exception of performance limiting length (rare for most European A320/B737 commercial ops!).

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Old 23rd Dec 2018, 21:07
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Originally Posted by Judd View Post
In many cases, company and/or noise abatement requirements dictate pilots only use reverse idle after touch down. So harsh braking to make a quick exit is invariably the usual result.
Just a note about the physics involved with reversers and brakes, and how it’s often misunderstood....

To go from, for example, 130 kts at the threshold to 50 kts at the rapid exit over 1500 m landing distance, is exactly the same deceleration rate whether you use max reverse or not. Idle reverse means hotter brakes, as they’re are doing all the work, but the deceleration rate (and associated sensations as pax/crew) are unchanged.

The only case where reversers offer an absolute increase in deceleration rate is where your are already using max braking.
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Old 24th Dec 2018, 03:44
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As I suppose . . a bit of an aside. ... W/C Harry Purvis RAAF was in command of a transport wing during the Second World War. . . He had a new recruit as an FO who had just come out of his basic training at Point Cook . . A confidential note in his file was addressed to Harry . . "Do what you can with this man. He is the sort who pulls on doors marked 'Push'. " Harry had a load of army top brass to take from Brisbane to Melbourne, with a stop in Sydney. Harry gave the landing in Sydney to the FO. He kangarooed the C47 down the runway. Taxying in Harry said to him to go back and make an apology to the passengers.
A week later Harry encountered one of those army senior ranks, who said to Harry that the young sprog had said to them, after the awful landing, that "Wing Commander Purvis is sorry about that arrival just now. He asked me to say of late he has been flying a desk and is hence a bit rusty".
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 05:43
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