Toxic Cabin Air/Aerotoxic Syndrome

[Dream Buster]

Swiss TV & Radio on Aerotoxic

Radio: https://www.rts.ch/play/radio/on-en-...rs?id=10511478

TV: https://www.rts.ch/play/tv/mise-au-p...ue?id=10544273

BBC still banned from mentioning the A word....

[Dream Buster]

WSCOTV on Toxic Cabin Air - 31st July 2019

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/9-invest...x4PCIVvqQA7w7s

and from 2017:

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/9-invest...ss6xHg9wIu2Tvk

and from April 2019:

https://garamendi.house.gov/media/pr...passengers-and

How DO they get away with it?

[Dream Buster]

Everybody Flies film...

'Everybody Flies' film announced https://filmindustry.network/documen...nD0-UGxPP_iG3Y

[snooky]

The problem does at last appear to be getting more mainstream coverage at last
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50074402

[cwatters]

"New Caledonia’s Aircalin returns brand new but “smelly” A330-900 to Airbus for thorough inspection"

https
://www.aviation24.be/airlines/aircalin/new-caledonias-aircalin-returns-brand-new-but-smelly-a330-900-to-airbus-for-thorough-inspection/amp/

[DaveReidUK]

The article implies that TAP never got to the bottom of the similar problems it also encountered with its A330neos earlier this year.

Does anyone have an update on that ?

[reverserunlocked]

BA A320 FO Fumes event, FO incapacitated

British Airways Airbus A320-200, registration G-EUYM performing flight BA-633 from Athens (Greece) to London Heathrow,EN (UK), was on final approach to Heathrow's runway 27R about 4nm before touchdown when the captain donned his oxygen mask and declared Mayday, Mayday advising he was going to continue the approach. The aircraft touched down safely on runway 27R about 2 minutes later.

On Jan 4th 2020 The Aviation Herald received information that on final approach the first officer passed out, the captain smelled the odour of old socks, immediately donned his oxygen mask, declared emergency and continued for a safe landing. Passengers and cabin crew remained unaware until after landing.

On Jan 5th 2020 The Aviation Herald received more details: On approach to Heathrow the captain noticed the odour of dirty old socks, the first officer, pilot flying, did not smell anything. The captain believes the odour is dissipating. Then the first officer started breathing heavily, slumps forward and no longer responds to questions by the captain. The captain therefore takes control, dons his oxygen mask, declares Mayday, configures the aircraft for landing and lands safely. After landing, in care by medical staff, the first officer recovers.

The occurrence aircraft is still on the ground in Heathrow about 60 hours after landing.

linky:

Accident: British Airways A320 at London on Jan 2nd 2020, fumes take out first officer

ETA apparently the FO didn’t pass out

[M.Mouse]

First Officer did not pass out.

[The Range]

And airlines and aircraft manufacturers keep denying it.

[jolihokistix]

Originally Posted by M.Mouse

First Officer did not pass out.

And at the end of same article denying that anyone had actually passed out, is this sentence, "Just imagine what would have happened to flight BA-633 if the captain had also passed out." Poor editing, as of this time.

[lpvapproach]

Originally Posted by M.Mouse

First Officer did not pass out.

That article states that
" TCP is a toxin that, when released into the cockpit or cabin, can smell like old socks, cause nausea and even incapacitate anyone breathing it in. While fumes in the cockpit are rare, they do happen from time to time and could prove fatal if not noticed quickly. Just imagine what would have happened to flight BA-633 if the captain had also passed out. "

Fume events Nov and Dec has quite a few Airbus entries..

[Gordomac]

For recognition training, may we have the inclusion of old socks smell awareness. Being a goody goody, I have no idea but, what a splendid job done by our BA Skipper.

[AviatorDave]

Originally Posted by lpvapproach

Fume events Nov and Dec has quite a few Airbus entries..

BA seems to have a quite prominent presence there with their A320s. What‘s up with that?

[jolihokistix]

Serious question. Does 'old socks' mean simply and literally 'old', (not new) or 'unwashed', i.e. cheesy?

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by reverserunlocked

ETA apparently the FO didn’t pass out

He was just incapacitated. So that's OK then.

[misd-agin]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

He was just incapacitated. So that's OK then.

Where does it say 'incapacitated'? Let's stick with accurate descriptions of what is reported to have occurred. Not responding to questions isn't necessarily the same as medically unresponsive. Deep breaths, slumped forward, and not answering questions will be verified by the actual statements of both pilots and the FO's description of his actual symptoms and any known, or suspected, causes that he's aware of.

[Semreh]

Originally Posted by lpvapproach

That article states that
" TCP is a toxin that, when released into the cockpit or cabin, can smell like old socks, cause nausea and even incapacitate anyone breathing it in. While fumes in the cockpit are rare, they do happen from time to time and could prove fatal if not noticed quickly. Just imagine what would have happened to flight BA-633 if the captain had also passed out. "

Fume events Nov and Dec has quite a few Airbus entries..

For the avoidance of doubt, the TCP referred to in the article is not the TCP antiseptic, known to many, but an organophosphate compound named tricresyl phosphate of which one of its three isomers (tri-ortho-cresyl phosphate (TOCP)) is markedly poisonous to humans (and probably to other creatures). It is used as a lubricant and hydraulic fluid, and as an additive to lubricants and hydraulic fluids.

Edited to get name of TOCP correct.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by misd-agin

Where does it say 'incapacitated'?

Post #1 in this thread. Like you, I have no idea whether that's true or not.

[misd-agin]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

Post #1 in this thread. Like you, I have no idea whether that's true or not.

Subsequent report directly conflicts at least some of the information in the first post. So we're left without knowing how much is being accurately reported.

[Webby737]

Originally Posted by misd-agin

Subsequent report directly conflicts at least some of the information in the first post. So we're left without knowing how much is being accurately reported.

Quite true, however I think we can all agree that there was a fume event. Sadly it seems quite common on the A320, not just with BA but several other operators of the type as well.
One odd thing, both the CFMI and IAE engined aircraft seem to suffer from the same problem.