seatbelt on or of

[Quazimodo007]

According EU OPS seatbelt sign should be of or on during the flight(no turbulence) ?

thx

[reivilo]

at discretion of the PIC

[BOAC]

'Recommended' only, and part of the Passenger Briefing requirements in EUOPS, but in no way at the 'discretion' of the PIC.

After take-off
1. Passengers are reminded of the following if applicable:
(i) smoking regulations; and
(ii) use of safety belts and/or safety harnesses including the safety benefits of having safety belts fastened when seated irrespective of seat belt sign illumination.

[FLCH]

Not an EU OPS guy, but aside from the briefing isn't the PIC allowed to make a choice whether he/she has the seatbelt sign on or off ??

[reivilo]

BOAC, in your quote I can not find any rule about the fasten seatbelt sign. During the passenger safety briefing, it is ofcourse emphasized that keeping the seatbelt on while seated is much safer. However the sign may be switched on or off at discretion of the PIC. AFAIK the EU OPS does not have any regulation about this and if they say that the sign should be on during the entire flight, it's nonsense in my opinion. The sign is switched off mainly to let the passengers make use of the lavatories whenever they want to. And it will be switched on when the PIC deems it necessary because of (expected) turbulence. If the sign is constantly on, the cockpit will constantly be bothered by the cabin crew 'ding dong' "there is a pax that needs to use the toilet, can he/she go?"...

edit after rereading: BOAC I think you missed the word 'sign' in the initial post...

[BOAC]

You are all absolutely right - it has been a busy day and I apologise for not RTFP. It was only the post title that I saw. If PIC wants the sign on all flight he can have it. At least the crew toilet will be available

[GlueBall]

"If the sign is constantly on, the cockpit will constantly be bothered by the cabin crew 'ding dong' "there is a pax that needs to use the toilet, can he/she go?"...

Not in real life, but maybe in a Hollywood movie.

[reivilo]

Not in real life, but maybe in a Hollywood movie.

Why? Do only hollywood actors need to use the toilet after the seatbelt sign has been on for 2 hours? I think that some 'real life actors' also need to go to the lav after a considerate amount of time, and especially their children...

[BOAC]

Not in real life, but maybe in a Hollywood movie.

- exactly reivilo - maybe GB lives in a movie world? We live win the real one. Of course, the way around the problem is to ensure the c/crew are kept briefed if this happens, otherwise a well-trained crew SHOULD be asking the question.

[GlueBall]

I have been flying 400+ pax airframes for a long, long time; and never has my cockpit been ding-donged by a cabin crew asking if a pax could use the lav while the seat belt sign was illuminated. These matters are exclusively handled at the discretion of the cabin crew.

[BOAC]

Then I take my hat off to your c/crew who presumably have their own weather radar sets in the cabin?

[reivilo]

Then I take my hat off to your c/crew who presumably have their own weather radar sets in the cabin?

+1
Maybe that are the cabin crew MOL will need to fly his planes