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Buster Hyman 20th December 2002 07:03

So, shouldn't it become EQOPS now?

gjp 20th December 2002 09:13

4 over 2
 
Well said Rabbit

The quad I fly has 240 mins fire protection - thats pretty good I'd say

Wino 20th December 2002 15:41

But not all of them do, and None of them are REQUIRED to.

That is the rule that is being changed gjp. Just because your company opted to take the expense of adding the firefighting beyong the regulations required of it does not mean that all operators did.

So basically, it will be to your advantage to have etops rules extended to all aircraft as the firefighting expenses willnow have to be born by all quad operators, not just your company.

Rabbit, its not the same on all aircraft, some operators have virtually none other than the theoretical "Self smothering" compartments that worked so well for valujet down in the everglades.

Cheers
Wino

411A 20th December 2002 21:52

All US operators have been required to fit fire suppression and extinguishing equipment to aircraft cargo holds since the 2001 deadline.
Nothing new here.

And...a very good idea, IMO.

Wino 21st December 2002 03:53

411a yeah but the length of supression time is being increased.

Cheers
Wino

maxalt 21st December 2002 13:15

Buster Hyman, it's being named LROPs - Long Range Ops.

lomapaseo 21st December 2002 13:40


Buster Hyman, it's being named LROPs - Long Range Ops.
Interesting, does that mean that no regard is to be taken of long routes that are over lots of land masses with lots of airports.

maxalt 22nd December 2002 16:40

lomapaseo there's a much better explanation of this concept at THIS link than I could give.

maxalt 22nd December 2002 20:15

Apologies...link edited and now correct!

lomapaseo 22nd December 2002 20:58


there's a much better explanation of this concept at THIS link than I could give.


Uh, thanks. However I notice that it was an Airbus document written with the statistical non-descript word may in several places justifying its intent.

I prefer to read a regulatory justification instead if it indeed has one.

4dogs 26th December 2002 06:22

Buster and Max,

I always thought that ICAO and others referred to EROPs (Extended Range Operations), of which ETOPS was a subset specifically for twins. Mind you, that was 10 years ago so it is probably time to re-invent the wheel.


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