bmi Redundancies (2)
 

As one of the 109 who got b*tt-reamed last Tuesday, I would like to know why my original thread has been closed?

I concede a growing level of (heated) discussion but this is a crucial issue to many families and deserves an airing where everyone, not just those with access to private forums (fora) can make their opinion clear.

Who knows? maybe even SMB reads this one.

You haven't seen me, right? :mad:

When a thread reaches 100 posts or thereabout we close it because the longer a thread becomes the more load it puts on the server. Feel free as you have to reopen the discussion with a part II thread.

Anyone who posts a reply with little or no content such as a one liner should realise that they are only ensuring that a thread will close with less discussion so please think about your replies and are they absolutely necessary?

Threads containing >100 posts cause technical problems down in the PPRuNe engine room.

Nothing sinister.

Once we can afford a bigger Di-Lithium Crystal then it won't be a problem...

WWW

Arse. Hiya Boss.

WWW

Thank you, sirs.

Keep going, boys and girls. Let's get the message through to them at Crinkly Bottom.(Perhaps that should be; 'WITH a Crinkly Bottom......)

Thanks to Danny and WWW et al for the chance.

Here's to thread 3!


You haven't seen me, right?

F. :cool:

[ 01 November 2001: Message edited by: fokker ]

Latest news from Crinkley Bottom is that the whole of Operations and Crewing departments are to be made redundant then asked to re-apply for thier jobs but with a much lower head count. Nice eh?!!!

Has the aviation industry gone mad? Surely no one can say that this is all the fault of Sep 11th, it's blatantly just being used as an excuse now!!!

RAFAT...you have eventually made the point....even TV companies use the Sep 11 as an excuse now to sack 100s of people...also their rates are better than ever.

Roger that, Rafat! I've been saying that ever since Continental announced 12,000 layoffs on the 13th Sept!!!!

I just hope that John Q Public sees that this is all a load of b*****ks and starts buying tickets again real soon.

On a more positive note, I hear 2 LHR engineers made redundant and then quickly re-instated...anyome know why?

Sad thing is that many of us need to use an online rumour net to learn about our own company...says lots for industrial relations, and doesn't bode well for future good-will between employee and employer. And this is the basis for a successful operation in the long run.

Not sure about there being two,but one certainly appealed on the basis that all of his 'approvals' had not been taken into account.Engineers are not made redundant on'juniority',but how useful they are to the company,and presumably cost is taken into account.Watch out you pilots-the seniority list days are numbered!

I won't bore you with the details (anyone in bni knows them only too well) but 'management' are now using the situation to try to scrap all the lifestyle-saving features of our laughable crewing 'system'; features that have been hard-won over many years. B*stards!

Most of these people couldn't manage their way out of a wet paper bag.

Good luck, all.

YHSMR? :mad:

Management attempts to use the recent tradgic world events as an excuse for change should be met with a one word answer. NO .

Words fail me!!

These proposals rule out any chance of a family or social life. How many kid's parties, sport's days, family reunions etc. etc. do you have to miss before you come home to an empty house and your wife with the outlaws.

I presume these amendments will be voted on by the pilots!!

MP

What I find amazing is that the only person to have been publicly vilified for capitalising on the tragic 11th, is Jo Moore, a Government spin doctress, who was only doing her (questionably useful) job.

Now the so called 'Captains of industry' are employing the same tactics and getting away with it. Shame on them.

Getting briefly back to the ex bmir 7, I am saddened that those displaced by these cuckoos are not fighting harder to have this ruling justified. Back to bmir, say I!

SP

Why do you take things so personally?

Just because Arkroyals views don't assimilate to your own there is no need to get the hump.

Go and get your nappy changed!!

SP, the whole bmi/bmir debate will cause instant friction. The sad fact is that it could all have been avoided with a clear transfer system between the two entities, perhaps in both directions, instead of the confused muddle it is.

Dishing abuse does not help. Interestingly I found the Navy to have very similar qualities to BM, ie 500 ish excellent boys and girls doing a difficult job in spite of the management. There are some top people in BM and I am, saddened by the prospect of not working with them again. Remember the enemy is poor management not your team members, wherever they may have come from.

(edited for stupidity)

[ 04 November 2001: Message edited by: Mike Rosewich ]

Mike Rosewich ,wise words. :)

EICAS and Stag Point,

I'm really quite amazed that you choose to take this personally. I share the crewroom with bmir guys and girls, and get on well with all. I hold no grudge against any of them, or indeed the 7.

Let me set my stall out once again. The current situation calls for scrupulous fairness. bmi wil be losing people who have worked for the group of companies for longer than some who will keep their jobs at bmir. If you think that is fair, then I understand your support for the 7. This rule should not be a one way street.

The double standard being applied by the hirers and firers is simply not on. I say again, nothing personal. I wish all pilots in the group the best.

To quote SP: If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all.

Mike, Pete, Stellina and other grown ups,thanks for the support for free speech.

Pete,Mike sorry to have made that immature post,but I'm affraid I saw red when 7 of my best mates are being picked on and called "Cuckoos" by someone who claims not to hold a grudge against them. It seems a strange thing for him to say. I also feel sorry that you find that the management are your enemy, perhaps it is just a poor selection of words but at a time like this shouldn't we be working with management rather than despite them.

To get back to the Transfer agreement, and to again answer your question, Pete. The TA was, as far as I am aware, negotiated between bmi,bmir and bmi pilots council. At that time nobody from bmi would have wanted to be seen dead in teh front seat of a bmir acft, you may recall that we flew SAABs in those days. You will also like to note the bmir pilots have never been represented in the negotiation of the TA, but then again everyone concerned considered that bmir were gaining something from joining bmi.

You will also note that in a previous I challenged you to take bmi to court if you were not satisfied with the treatment of individuals, that challenge still stands, but I guess, Arkroyal its easier to call 7 individuals Cuckoos on the internaet than to fight for the rights of your close colleagues.

Here's another challenge, is there anyone on this site that can confirm or deny that bmi Crew Council were involved or not involved with the negotiation of the TA. Someone on your CC must read this diatribe, speak up and put us all out of our misery and then we can get on with the important things in life like golf etc.