Where ever the blame lies and whoever is at fault I won't be risking my money with BA until the dust has well and truly settled.

I am pleased that the strike has been averted, however, as I said in my post the other day, I am not coming back. Been messed around one too many times.

And I as another SLF have flown with BA for the last time. My last flight to and from LGW was late, uncomfortable and very poor service, even before the current dispute. You only get loyal customers if you treat them well!!!

OJJ

I agree with the pax in the posts before and won't be coming back either, unless there is no reasonable alternative on a route, too many disputes recently and too much disruption.

In fact, you only get loyal customers .... once!

But BA 'culture' just doesn't see that, I guess they never will. Too busy doing everyone a big favour by merely existing.
:ooh:

My info speedpig is that the reps have resigned their position within BASSA. Some people not happy with the deal apparently.

Many mutterings of Tony's comment, about this being the best deal available, and it not being improved by strike action, the icing on the cake is when he said the deal had been agreed. Lots of angry people within BASSA.

For all those who no longer wish to fly BA, then please go away. I'm sure all the other airlines are just fabulous. Who knows the empty seats may bring our brilliant management to its senses.

I have yet to see what a CC dispute with the company has to do with SLF or Pilots. Do please shut up.

Everyone has the right to withdraw their labour. Please also note that the current government was elected on a lower turnout that the BASSA vote. Do you think the people who voted for the government understood all the issues?

It is called "democracy", not perfect, but the best of a bad lot.

Harry

Harry, there isn't much use coming to a pilots forum and telling people to shut up! This lot can't be quiet about anything!
I have seen the deal. Minor pay rise, 4 increments for new entrants, and minor changes in Sickness Policy, and wishy washy intentions 'to be best friends in future'. The incredible damage to get an agreement like this is unbelievable. It's not the strike that inflicted the damage, it's the threat and preparation for it- the strike damage is already there, the payback should have followed. I think Willy should have taken it to the wire, and gone nuclear, and BASSA would be decimated, the old contracts terminated. There are still other departments that desperately need sorting out, and no example has been set. Don't look on this as a victory, not much has been achieved. But the damage to the company has been intense- it seems criminal.
*and Purser issue lost. Does any aeroplane really need 1 CSD and 3 Pursers? Willy wouldn't wash it either!

Harry

Just because you are angry about the mess you and your ilk have created please refrain from telling once loyal customers to go away.

I would like them to return, I would like them to find the experience of flying BA excellent everytime and I would l;ike the company to remain in profitable business.

By comments such as yours you are displaying the very attitude which so many, inside and outside of the company, complain of.

You're right Harry, nothing to do with us whatsoever, we only pay the wages, suffer the disruption and come back for more!!

Enjoy your right to withdraw your labour, and I will enjoy my right to withdraw my patronage.

More info :

Upper deck purser going cash savings to be spent on 4 more pay scales for the post 97 people. (note no transition to pre 97 scales)

Pensionable pay to be increased with the £6 million gleaned from the proposed transition period.

A reasonable pay rise this year of 4.6% to be counter balanced by inflation next year.

Nothing on :

down route report times

250 CSD positions short haul

Breakfast at LGW

All in all without the real flesh it looks very cost neutral to me, I bet the company can't wait to get rid of some longer serving pursers

Oh dear oh dear oh dear!

So what was all that nonsense about a 96% vote, how a strong united BASSA would prevail, how Willy was quaking in his boots? What have they achieved?

A pensionable pay rise exactly the same as the pilots got without having to ballot (and negotiated by the pilots, not BASSA).

Some increments to new contract pay, but NOT the merging of the payscales BASSA demanded.

A few 'zero cost' changes to EG300.

In return for those they have :

Lost the fourth purser on the 747.
Failed to guarantee 250 CSD positions on short haul
Failed to get their breakfast allowance for LGW (surprise surprise)
Failed to sort downroute report times.
Failed to achieve any other of those points.

I bet Willy is laughing all the way to the bank, and that joker Conroy will find it hard sitting down for a while with that broom rammed so far up him! You have to wonder if all thouse people BASSA claimed were switching to them from CC89 have wasted their money.

M.Mouse

I am sure that you are a total professional and that my life is safe in your hands.

Its a shame that some of your colleagues are such a shower and undo your good work.

I lost count! How many Pursers on a 747? Not 4? Is there anyone left to do the work?

What a foolish comment.

More of .... more of
 

Oh dear ... Oh dear .. Harry Wragg, just like previous poster Trolleylad teling us pax that the airline doesn't need us - unless we Kow Tow to his opinions and accept whatever dreadful service the CC deign to offer at their own convenience .... and that somehow BA will continue to operate without our custom. You really must tell Willy .. he'll be delighted to know he can get guaranteed load factors without all the expensive adverts.

Such bravado .. within hours of being saved from a world without work.

Well I am still booked to go to Denver in Feb but be damned certain that when I go again in July I shall move everything I possibly can to locfate an alternative to BA ... after all ...... isn't July the month for the ground staff to come out ????

:D or is it :ugh: ?????

Harry,


you are Sir, a c:mad: ck of the highest order. There are few if any in this thread who question the innate right of the worker to start industrial action to secure a fair and proper pay and Ts and Cs structure.

There are a lot within this thread who are questioning the appropriateness of industrial action for the issues that were outlined by BASSA. A lot of it was ignorance (in the true sense of the word). I for one was ignorant of the issues, this forum is a means to understanding these issues better.

it has become increasingly apparent that this action was BASSA trying to strongarm BA for its own nefarious purposes - and to do this they, BASSA, hoodwinked their membership into voting for what would have been a disastrous strike.

There has been a lot of damage done to BA over the past year, this has just added to it. Customers are looking elsewhere and a lot of them are finding that the grass is in fact greener in pastures new. BA will now have to up the ante in it's customer service provision in all departments to convince a lot of customers to come back.

The threat of strike action has turned passengers away.... passengers who would otherwise have continued to accept a no better than average service because of the name BA - it actually does still count for a lot.

So the next time you come out with statements like your one above, rememebr that you are not as big as the name BA. Your customers are king - you are a service provider. Your customers - the SLF - are entitled to ask what is going on - they expect a good service from BA and frankly, are increasingly not getting it. Attitudes like yours are what will bring BA to it's knees because although in name it is still a premium company, in reality it is looking very ropey in its current guise.


So Harry, if you wish to vent anger at someone, try BASSA. Even if they had a genuine grievance, the way they have conducted this affair, and the lack of information coming from them to refute management statements, is what has made the general public - the people who keep CC etc in a job - very unhappy with BA as a whole.

The attitude that you have displayed in your post is a prime example of the 'up their own arse' behaviour that has been mentioned by a lot of posters here regarding the few crap, aloof CC who are going to spoil it for their hard working colleagues and everyone else.

Harry,
I have to echo previous posters. I work for one of BAs competitors, and welcome any customers we may gain from this dispute. Your comments at best are naive and at worst well.......... Your customers deserve more respect than that.

Actually it has quite a bit to do with pilots.We have seen similar problems stateside and the balance needs to be redressed.FA unions with disproportionate power can grind an airline into gridlock.Whilst a good lead FA is an invaluable team-member on a major and remuneration and conditions should reflect this,the pilots have watched meekly from the side lines for too long.You have the leverage;all you have to do is use it.
Pseudo CRM and social decay has emasculated pilots for too long now and its about time they had the balls to take back their aircraft.

Harry Wragg
 

Harry
"I have yet to see what a CC dispute with the company has to do with SLF or Pilots"
:ugh:
SLF are present on this forum and are also the ones who fund BA, and isn't this after all a Pilots forum? Your post is an absolute waste of time.