'scuse me BUT....

CFE IS NO MORE. gedit....

All this endless wastage of 0,s and 1,s is an insult to the binary code.

Whatever you say makes no difference.

It has happened so how about stopping this drivel and getting on with it.

TEMPER TEMPER relapse ,if your not careful youll do yourself an injury getting carried away like that.

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Get on with what, exactly.

As the saying goes, those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it.

CPB

Big Dog's, Apropos of nothing in particular, GB actually do slightly better out of transfer pax than did CityFlyer because of their route network. The sectors are longer and they get passengers transferring onto their services from the UK provinces. As a result, they get better revenue shares from SRP. For example, a MAN-LGW sector receives very little of the overall revenue from a MAN-LGW-LIS routing because of the comparative mileage involved. Of course, this creates a problem for the mainline and ex-CFE routes as they are penalised in comparison to the longer sectors. SRP was an AA initiative because of the lower costs per mile of US domestic travel versus European flights, further skewing an already poor European performance. SRP always was the bane of CityFlyer's life.

My information is that we at BA CitiExpress are to receive all the CFE 146s to operate out of Manchester and Birmingham. I understand that the ex CFE pilots will be initially operating them, but will be replaced by our low cost equivalent as our guys come on line. The ex CFE guys will then be soaked up in mainline as the pilot shortage starts to happen again with the ongoing retiral bulge. I wasn't quite sure how to interpret the future for the LGW services, but presumably an earlier post referring to greater utilisation of the airbuses would acount for that. Again, presumably a gradual thing. One can see the sense in it as BA slowly lower their regional cost base courtesy of ourselves - assuming they can get away with continuing to turn the Ts and Cs screw on us. Mind you, we have now accumulated so many managers - none of whom are much good, the ex Brymonites in particular, - that our own cost base is surely going up logarithmically.

Anyway, lets hope '02 is better than '01.

Not holding my breath,

"The Prince"
:) :)

As a matter of interest what does the entire citiexpress fleet consist of and where are all these aircraft based?

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Little Prince; may I ask, from where does your information come?

The reason the ex CFE aircraft have been deployed onto other BA routes is in order to reduce the capacity where there is insufficient demand. At the time of the switchover most of the EOG network (within range) was considered suitable for RJ ops, but of course there were insufficient aircraft for the desired deployment. At no point was there ever a suggestion that the RJ's be moved to CitiExpress in the regions because the need was greater at LGW.

Now it is possible that BA would decide to bring the RJ fleet under the auspices of CitiExpress whilst remaining at LGW, although that would beg the question as to why merge CFE in the first place. The other alternative would be to redeploy them if LGW was being wound down to a much greater extent than is already the case. Should that happen all options are open, but if not, then there would not appear to be any rationale behind moving them out to the regions.

Of course, that doesn't mean they're not stupid enough to do it...

With the level of speculation at fever pitch concerning BA SH Ops at LGW, does anybody actually know when an official announcement is due to put everyone out of their misery?

FO

CitiExpress currently operates the following type and numbers

BAe 146 x5 (1xINV,1xIOM,3xMAN inc x2 from 03/02)
Emb 145 x29 (2xEDI,10xMAN,6xBHX,2xCWL,4xBRS,4xSOU,1xMaint)
BAe ATP x13 (1xEDI,4xGLA,1xBHD,2xIOM,3xMAN,2xMaint)
DHC -8 x13 (3xABZ,1xNCL,3xMAN,4xBRS,2xPLH)
BAe J41 x11 (1xNCL,1xBHD,1xIOM,4xLBA,3xCWL,1xMaint)

Total Aircraft 71 <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

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I think RVR800's last post says it all, really!

:) :) :)

Another angle on the CFE merger is that the food is much better at J.H. No more roll vans, snacky foods or lost lunches. Even the C.Pilot has been seen tucking in to his early morning Big Breakfast with relish.
" Who said mergers were bad pass the ketchup"
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Actually there are 15 Dash-8-311's in Brymon(soon to be BACX).G-BRYI,J,M,O,P,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z,NVSA&B.
OK thats enough plane spotting for one night!(Could get me arrested in Greece!)