Single Pilot Operation !!!
 

From Daily Telegraph 30 July.

Passengers look on as pilots fight over flight

An Egyptian pilot and his co-pilot brawled in front of 130 passengers waiting to take off in Cairo yesterday.
Capt. *al* flew alone to Sharm -el-Sheikh after evicting his co-pilot * * from the aircraft owned by Egyptian firm Midwest.
The fight erupted when the co-pilot asked for the flight schedule. The pilot is said to have replied "It’s none of your business". - AFP
:eek:

Did the Co-pilot then try to grab the controls when airborne, switch the fuel off and chant all the way to the ground??? :rolleyes:

Spot on Zuludead! Your comment will certainly raise some eye-brows, but I am sure a lot of people are thinking along those lines. I wonder how the Egyptian government would explain this incident - perhaps the Israelis were the root cause of the argument... Let's blame someone else!!!!

Any idea what type of aircraft was involved? Is CRM commonly used in that part of the world? Evidently not. Next time I'm in Egypt I'll opt for the bus (probably not much safer)!

oops..

[ 30 July 2001: Message edited by: village flyer ]

Lavdumper,

opt for the bus? - having been that warrior it is an experience that I would rather forget. A procession beginning with a jeep loaded full of nutters with AK-47's does not offer any reasurance of a forthcomming safe trip.

VF

My old man said you could never trust one of em, sounds like he was right! :eek:

Looking at other threads makes me wonder if he did the same CRM course as the CEO of Ryanair. :eek:

Best thing to do with a co-pilot if he argues - leave him behind. Who needs one anyway?

Even in the high tech world of the new millenium some cultures persist in a prehistoric state. Weird weird things happen in third world cockpits. :eek:

Remember that Egypt Air B-767 that went down over the Atlantic, well,well, i wonder why.....

Third World Cockpit? What's a third world cockpit?

Come on, seriously; I'd really like to know... :confused:

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Through difficulties to the cinema

Everything about this post is perhaps best left to Mr Un Said. :D

If the flight attendant is in bed with the captain after the flight, is it work or is it pleasure?
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Pleasure! If it were work the F/O had to do it!

But seriously, aren't there any rules and laws concerning airline operations in Egypt? 130 PAX sounds like A320 or B737.

I wouldn't doubt the pilot's ability to fly although I think the label "Does not play well with others" might apply here.

Oh Dearey Me! This is a rumour thread, so here goes a hearsay translation from an Arabic Newspaper.
The Capt and F/o were having a physical fight. He off loaded the F/o who went to Ops Centre and narrated the story. The Capt in the meantime departed Cairo :eek: for Sharm-al-sheikh. (probably an A320/A300 as it was supposed to go onto Milan). ATC managed to call the aircraft and asked him to return to Cairo. Apparently, Capt ignored ATC and proceeded to S-a-s. There he was reprimanded and is now being charged by the authorities. ;) (kidnapping, Hijacking, Regulation violations..etc.)
Aparently, Mr. Al Bond has lost his licence to kill? :D
Are 'aviationists' there aware of regulations, CRM, Psychoanalytical testing?
I always wondered how one could fly a modern day jet, solo :D ?

This will make a great example in future CRM courses !
;)

After all, CRM is like time: it has been invented by the Whites... for the Whites !
:D

Although the Egyptians were building pyramids while Europeans and Americans were still living in the woods (or so), now they're having a really hard time with some of the basics of CRM. Down there you don't question the captain's authority, period !

Remember the fight between the captain and the F/O of a Turkish Airlines A340 ? They weren't on the ground anymore, but at FL3-something. I think they were fighting for a chick (F/A ?).

This is just a cultural issue, so maybe we should pay more attention and respect to their problems and encourage their efforts, don't you think ?
Joking is okay, but let's not push it too far. I wish the F/O could tell us what really happened... if it ever happened.
:D

Dear Sky9

Could you give the URL to the Daily Telegraph colum?

Thank you

The aircraft involved was probably an Airbus A310 as Midwest operates this type of aircraft.

The do a lot of subchartering besides flying tourists. For example for Tunis Air.

I hope nobody takes offence at this reply, but the amazing, (sadly, very real) content, made me laugh my a** off!!

The "Family Fortunes" TV show format is, I'm sure, understood just about everywhere.

The stupid responses by stupid family members to simple questions are legend. In fact, the UK magazine "Private Eye", regularly publishes a list of the most recent "Howlers"!

Here is the "King" of unbelievable answers...

Les Dennis, the UK gameshow host says, "One hundred people were surveyed, and the top five answers are on the board, fastest on the buzzer takes control of the game. In the survey we asked, - 'Name a dangerous race?'..

....What was the fastest response by a stupid family member?...... The Grand National?... The Monaco Grand Prix?...The Paris-Dakar Rally?... The Whitbread Round the World Yacht Race?..........

No, "The Arabs".

:rolleyes:

It is encouraging to see that prejudice is no longer part of these forums.

I also find the (healthy) widespread sceptisism regarding newspaper articles, that has become a standard in posts, a sign of true progress.


Techman http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/angel3.gif

As per Egypt Air schedules this is
flight MS805 operating CAI SSH MXP with an
A321.