PAL incident in Guam
 

Any PPRuNers out there have any information on the incident involving a Philippine Airlines Airbus in Guam? I've heard they came within 20 feet of a mountainside and uprooted a few power lines. The most shocking thing is that the geniuses up front actually then flew the plane home to Manila. How they planned to get away with this should make for some interesting reading.
Mind, these are rumors, and I can't seem to find out anything in the news.
Hope someone can fill in the gaps. Cheers.

I used to fly out there. I'll email my friends and see if they've got any info. Do you have a date and time that this happened??

Thank you, v.
It's supposed to have happened about a couple of weeks ago, right around Christmas, and the incident on the ground may have been near where that Korean Air 747 tragically hit a mountain some time back.
Hope you get some reliable info

...what have we got here?...a pilot who is anti pilots or just a stirrer? Bona fides please before we get into this!
Let's face it, your opening post is somewhat provocative!

>>The most shocking thing is that the geniuses up front actually then flew the plane home to Manila.

Standard procedure for many airlines in the region. China Airlines continued on to TPE last year after taking off on a taxiway and hitting a snowbank in ANC (they had an airshow in HNL yesterday as well):

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Posted: 27 January 2002, 12:02am EST (0502 GMT)

China Airlines plane takes off from Anchorage taxiway.
Anchorage Daily News

A China Airlines Airbus carrying 254 passengers and crew members narrowly avoided catastrophe early Friday when pilots took off in the wrong direction and on a taxiway instead of a runway at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport.

In its takeoff just before 3 a.m., the plane came so close to running out of taxiway that its landing gear clipped a snow berm at the pavement's end before it gained altitude over Cook Inlet and flew on to Taipei, according to federal investigators...

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Of course, the "Delta Professionals" had an incident years ago where the 767 captain thought he was playing with some FADEC switches and turned off both fuel cutoffs instead. They were departing LAX, got relights, climbed up and after consulting ATL flight ops, continued on to CVG. The mechanics found salt spray on the plane. The feds appeared at the captain's house to demand surrender of his certificates.


http://aviation-safety.net/database/...19870630-0.htm

Do you know what type it was? 330/340/320?

Just an FYI...PAL only flies the 320 & 340. Not suprisingly, NOTHING appeared in the local press! :)

PAL flies A320/A330/A340. The aircraft involved in the incident was an A330.

I've also heard the rumors but can't offer anything definite.

ATI is quoting a PAL spokesperson as saying that "dents and scratches" were found on the underside of the fuselage! :eek:

Airbubba,

Looks like flying-on is not just restricted to that region.

This forum also has a thread about an Angolan 737 *which actually hit another aircraft* and kept going!!

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=77203

WW1:

Sorry, so far, no response from my pals out that way, they're still digging out from the typhoon I suppose and trying to figure out how to keep their beer cold with no electricity.

Mount Nimitz, from what I recall, is directly along the FAC for the ILS, that's the same place KAL planted a 747 a few years back. Dunno if that would have figured in the PAL event you referred to or not.

If I hear anything I'll letcha' know...

Yes guys, the incident in Guam was true. it was an A330 landing into Guam. From what I understood they did a visual approach since aids were down. They went too low and yes snagged some felled high tension wires around 24 feet above ground about a some meters before where the KAL crashed. Yes they took off again to return to Manila. Something about the S/O did not see the 1foot x 1 foot in the belly because it was raining and did not see the damage on the landing gear.
Upon arrival MNL the cargo could not be opened and thats when they saw the damage sustained. The pilots went home without reporting anything.
Philippine ATO claiming alot of irregularities on the statements of the pilots. Of course all three pilots still under investigation and off sked.
Believe it or not.!!!:confused: :eek:

Hmmm, catagory 2 ain't far behind i'm afraid...and not landing minima...:eek:

:mad: got some insider info on this and the funny thing is that some pilots are even passing the blame on the flight purser. can you believe that? that's the reason why the cabin crew group are quite mad for passing the blame on one of their members.

anyway the aviation authorities are taking a look into this and most likely sanctions will be given. but the gravity of the sanctions remains to be seen. let's see what happens next and it looks interesting.

Is the current PAL pilot group still comprised almost exclusively of "strike-breakers" (eskirol) from their strike a couple of years ago?

The current senior group in PAL is made up of crawl backs (another word for scab) or eskirols. Of course seniority is a lose word in PAL since they practice a point system. If your lucky enough to get pointed to, you move up or down depending how well your connected. I heard a rumour of one 744 FO who was promoted to Captain over other more qualified eskirols because his old man is a supreme court judge. He didn't make it past the V1 cut exercises though during the final check.

Junstrike is right, most seniors or the new seniors are mostly crawlbacks. The case was over since last year and quite a few union members are in the long waiting list trying to get back. Some officers of the Union have gone back some joined Management while others got reinstated in their former positions while still some got positions as 737 captains and some 744 F/o.Most were new graduates from flying school and with luck on their side are training now for 744 F/O positions. With the 3 more 744's PAL is getting alot of movement going on. And hopefully a good hiring binge.
About the pilots blaming the cabin crew, hadn't heard anything about it. The pilots went to DA on a LOC only approach when they were to go down onto a no GS MDA. Who are they to blame.
Yup all eyes are on what PAL would do with the situation.

Simply look for the hole where the DME reads 'ZERO'.

G'day ;)

Please explain how descent to the MDA within the vertical and lateral tolerances, can lead to a CFIT?

That is what we are talking about here - a controlled flight into TERRAIN, if the previous reports are correct!

Guam radar MUST have been monitoring this approach, the FDR of the aircraft involved - which can now LEGALLY be pulled..along with the CVR - also must have recorded these events.

But, if ALL of that fails, what is the Philippine MoT doing??!!(Hand out for $$$'s??)
They [MOT] are ICAO approved, and unless something more substantial [by way of an OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION] is produced, than has been to date, then PAL might find themselves having to re-apply for their ACOC! :mad:

Anyone with FACTS on this ACCIDENT - damage to aircraft qualifies it as such - please PM me.

if they flew it back to manila, i'd imagine there'd be very little of use on either FDR or CVR, which will probably have overwritten themselves.

i suppose you could look to see where the radar returns disappear on the ATC records, as presumably they do with the a/c at 25? feet.