Lies, damned lies, and medical renewals
Hi all,
With the recent events in the US concerning mental health in pilots I thought I’d create a four question survey to gather a rough show of hands about pilots’ behaviours and attitudes towards the Class 1 renewal. Four questions; takes 20 seconds: Survey To PPRuNe Moderators; I’m posting this in R&N because it’s the front page so will get the most attention and I believe that pilots’ mental health is currently a “News” item. Please leave it here for a few hours/days! Thanks! BD Edit to add: I will post results here asap. |
17 responses in about an hour…. Seems like people are keen to have a say :ok:
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So approximately 24 hours later we have 122 responses which really surprised me. About 200 would be actually quite useful from a statistical point of view.
If you haven’t done the survey yet then it would be better to do it before reading the current results as they may skew your own response. Question 1: Have you ever been dishonest in any way during a Class 1 medical renewal/initial? Yes: 39% No: 61% Question 2: Have you ever withheld mental health problems from your AME? Yes: 24% No: 76% Question 3: Have you ever sought professional help for mental health problems? E.g. counselling, medication Yes: 26% No: 74% Question 4: If mental health issues remained between you & your GP/personal physician; would you be more willing to take steps to resolve the issues? Yes: 76% No: 24% to the nearest whole number |
Whilst I think this is an interesting and relevant survey I think that it’s perhaps naive to have it on a public forum.
we know that journalists scan Pprune. how long before we see a “40% of pilots admit to lying about their mental health” story? |
170 responses so far
Question 1: Have you ever been dishonest in any way during a Class 1 medical renewal/initial? Yes: 41% No: 59% Question 2: Have you ever withheld mental health problems from your AME? Yes: 25% No: 75% Question 3: Have you ever sought professional help for mental health problems? E.g. counselling, medication Yes: 24% No: 76% Question 4: If mental health issues remained between you & your GP/personal physician; would you be more willing to take steps to resolve the issues? Yes: 79% No: 21% *rounded to the nearest whole number |
While your intention may be good, confidentiality measures, if any, are not disclosed.
The FAA sweeps military disability pension rolls and driver records to cross match with pilot medicals and comes down very hard on any omissions. |
Originally Posted by BoeingDriver99
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170 responses so far
Question 4: If mental health issues remained between you & your GP/personal physician; would you be more willing to take steps to resolve the issues? Yes: 79% No: 21% The question is whether the relationship between GP and patient is seen the same way as the relationship between AME and pilot. I think it should be, and you should tell them the same things, they should handle confidentiality the same way, etcetera. The problem is of course that the outcome is different. One of the two can get you treatment, the other can lose you your medical. I think that is what is reflected in the answers to the first question, and that is a worrying issue. |
All criticisms are valid as this was a spur of the moment decision to create a very quick and simple survey in light of recent events. With all the criticisms in mind; if you even assume the percentages are way off, it still leaves a relatively massive percentage of pilots who are having issues.
A quick google reveals rough numbers of around 70,000 - 100,000 commercial pilots working in the US. Same rough numbers go for Europe. If the issues raised above only affect 10% of pilots then we are talking 7,000 - 10,000 pilots in the US and the same goes for Europe. I would contend that the Class 1 Medical is not applicable in any way to mental health. At best it’s a moderately effective physical check on the initial issue and a very weak check on renewal each year. And the reality is that standards for renewal vary wildly with different jurisdictions. You can be fit to fly in one state and operate into another state where you would have your licence revoked. In the most basic case - retirement age varies even within Europe. |
This is an academic; therefore peer reviewed and validated article that covers depression and suicide ideation in airline pilots in much greater detail and clarity:
Article ”This study found 12.6% airline pilots meeting depression threshold and 4.1% pilots reporting having suicidal thoughts.” However, the point of my back of an envelope survey was to get more at the point that pilots are suffering in silence and not enough has been done as the quick & dirty survey indicates. |
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https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/...MailingID=1559
Hello Moss, have a look at the preceeding URL and the comments. One poster remarked that being open with the FAA can cost you tens of thousands of dollars along with many months of being suspended from flying. Aviation medical authorities often overreact on reports of benign and well controlled medical conditions and delay medical renewals and issuances for the better part of a year. The process is totally opaque. Until aviation medical authorities begin to act in a timely, transparent manner and provide well reasoned explanations, pilots will perforce keep their cards close to their vest. |
Originally Posted by moss_cohen
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Hi, I'm a producer with CNN. I'm looking to get in contact with BoeingDriver99. I'm working on a story, and would be interested in having a conversation with that user totally on background to aid in my reporting. BoeingDriver99 can reach me at [email protected]
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(From FAA website, verbatim) |
Originally Posted by WillowRun 6-3
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Surprising as to timing, on first impression.
But with the FAA finally getting a Senate-confirmed Administrator in office, and with the legislation to reauthorize the FAA still unfinished, it isn't quite as surprising. The questions around aviator mental health do hold some relevance to issues in the reauthorization bill, including means to address the pilot shortage (the 1500-hour rule, and mandatory retirement age). So also not surprising that the Aviation Subcommittee of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee today held a hearing - with a pretty all-star list of witnesses - on recent instances of "close calls" (which is tied also to pending reauthorization, and shortage of controllers). Worth noting that the Subcommittee is chaired by former U.S. Army Aviator Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D. - Illinois). Here's the description of the hearing from the Committee webpage (which also has a link to a recording of the hearing). "U.S. Senator Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), Chair of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation, will convene a subcommittee hearing titled “Addressing Close Calls to Improve Aviation Safety” on Thursday, November 9, 2023, at 10:00 AM EST. This hearing will examine serious close calls across the National Airspace System and related efforts to improve the U.S. aviation system's safety culture, processes and technologies. Witnesses:
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Question 1: Have you ever been dishonest in any way during a Class 1 medical renewal/initial? Yes: 43% No: 57% Question 2: Have you ever withheld mental health problems from your AME? Yes: 26% No: 74% Question 3: Have you ever sought professional help for mental health problems? E.g. counselling, medication Yes: 25% No: 75% Question 4: If mental health issues remained between you & your GP/personal physician; would you be more willing to take steps to resolve the issues? Yes: 81% No: 19% *rounded to the nearest whole number |
In 2015 FAA established a panel similar to the one recently announced. The Recommendation Report of the Pilot Fitness ARC was provided to FAA dated November 30, 2015. (ARC, advisory and Rulemaking Committee).
From the FAA's website: Pilot Fitness ARC Report.11302015.pdf(PDF, 1.4 MB) |
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