On the bright side, he is the right sort of idiot.
The wrong sort does what he did and fails to publicise it. As SLF I don't want to sit behind either. |
Originally Posted by langleybaston
(Post 11510320)
On the bright side, he is the right sort of idiot.
The wrong sort does what he did and fails to publicise it. As SLF I don't want to sit behind either. As for fatigue - after a cocaine bender - it's pretty much a given that he didn't sleep at all, so flying fatigued is a given. |
Originally Posted by FUMR
(Post 11510153)
What a total waste of a good career. What in heaven's name was going on in his mind?
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Originally Posted by HOVIS
(Post 11510117)
Bet he feels a right t*t!
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Originally Posted by V-Jet
(Post 11510311)
Two very important questions are left unanswered:
1) Where was Prince Andrew at the time? 2) Why wasn’t Russell Brand involved - or was he? |
Originally Posted by sudden twang
(Post 11510148)
The annoying thing about this is that it spotlights drugs and alcohol and detracts from the focus on fatigue.
Has there been an accident or incident in British civil aviation in the last 40years where drugs or alcohol have been citied as the/ contributing cause? I'm interested in the legal position, could he be facing UK charges as the offence was committed in South Africa but a UK registered aircraft would have been involved ? He’s lucky BA managed to sneak him out before the local police got onto the case. |
The hero is the no-hesitation FA and a system that supports reporting.
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Question,
What’s with the two stripes on his sleeves. Do Two stripes denote an F/O at BA? |
What’s with the two stripes on his sleeves. Does Two stripes denote an F/O at BA? |
Originally Posted by Chiefttp
(Post 11510387)
Question,
What’s with the two stripes on his sleeves. Does Two stripes denote an F/O at BA? SFO gets you the third. |
Originally Posted by Chiefttp
(Post 11510387)
Question,
What’s with the two stripes on his sleeves. Does Two stripes denote an F/O at BA? |
Originally Posted by krismiler
(Post 11510347)
Does this mean it’s now safe to consume drugs and alcohol before flying ?
I'm interested in the legal position, could he be facing UK charges as the offence was committed in South Africa but a UK registered aircraft would have been involved ? He’s lucky BA managed to sneak him out before the local police got onto the case. After any accident or incident the pilots are tested whether alive or not. There is no physical test for fatigue after an event. a theoretical one maybe. Fears of drugs and alcohol misuse in pilots is headline news at the moment where the accident and incident data doesn’t support those fears. Meanwhile pilots, controllers, engineers, dispatchers etc are working v hard indeed post covid with the associated fatigue levels. That’s the greater risk IMHO but it’s not publicised widely. |
Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer
(Post 11510448)
Did somebody actually just ask that question on a Professional Pilots forum?? Good grief!
A little dramatic response on your part, however, as an American, the only crew members who wore two stripes were the “professional Flight Engineers” back in the 727, DC-8 , 707 days. First Officers wore 3 stripes. Captains obviously four. I sat sideways on a 727 for a year as a “new hire” flight engineer at my airline, but I still wore 3 stripes since I was a Pilot ( who just happened to be performing FE duties until I could upgrade to F/O) We had a few Professional Flight Engineers who wore two stripes since they were not pilots, and would never upgrade to F/O. We haven’t had Crew members who wear two stripes since the 1980’s. Now perhaps you can understand my confusion, and so sorry to cause you so much angst.😀 , |
The state of his necktie whilst on duty is a clue to his character. I thought the same about Boris.
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[QUOTE=Chiefttp;11510486]Atlantic Explorer,
A little dramatic response on your part, however, as an American, the only crew members who wore two stripes were the “professional Flight Engineers” back in the 727, DC-8 , 707 days. First Officers wore 3 stripes. Captains obviously four. I sat sideways on a 727 for a year as a “new hire” flight engineer at my airline, but I still wore 3 stripes since I was a Pilot ( who just happened to be performing FE duties until I could upgrade to F/O) We had a few Professional Flight Engineers who wore two stripes as they were not pilots and would never upgrade to F/O. We haven’t had Crew members who wear two stripes since the 1980’s. Now perhaps you can understand my confusion, and so sorry to cause you so much angst.😀 I wouldn’t worry about it Atlantic Explorer , despite his moniker, clearly doesn’t get out much . |
Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer
(Post 11510448)
Did somebody actually just ask that question on a Professional Pilots forum?? Good grief!
FWIW; the four airlines I have flown for designated a junior F/O with two stripes, a senior F/O with three, and a Captain with four. We never had flight engineers. (Cadets at flight school can have one stripe). |
Originally Posted by sudden twang
(Post 11510484)
Fears of drugs and alcohol misuse in pilots is headline news at the moment where the accident and incident data doesn’t support those fears.
Meanwhile pilots, controllers, engineers, dispatchers etc are working v hard indeed post covid with the associated fatigue levels. That’s the greater risk IMHO but it’s not publicised widely. |
Being able to do 25 maths questions about complex surface areas or volumes and the like in 12 minutes - (which pilots never have to do) - and similar for verbal reasoning, ditto; perhaps misses something rather vital; i.e. is the candidate an immature idiot? |
Sorry, it's a particular bug-bear of mine.
Re: Fatigue - it's a very valid concern in our industry, but that has nothing to do with this thread. If you are tired or even fatigued, what you need is long good quality sleep, not wasting sleep time by staying up half the night during a lay-over, ingesting alcohol and coke. |
In BA ,stripes on the uniform are a Seniority thing, nothing to do with position on the Flight Deck.
All new joiners are two stripe First Officers. According to experience/time in the Company three stripes follow as a Senior F/O. BA do not employ Second Officers as all pilots are fully trained to operate on two crew ops. Many Long haul routes are operated with just two pilots including the A380.(UK to East Coast USA ,Dubai etc.) The LHR/JNB A380 rotation carries three pilots for crew rest. The old press photo of said pilot with just two stripes shows him in the intake of a Short Haul A320 type. By now on the A380 he would be an SFO with three stripes. Or was!! |
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