Russian Boeings and Airbus’s
When the Russians invaded Ukraine both Boeing and Airbus quite rightly withdrew engineering support for any Russian registered aircraft, yet there are hundreds still flying. How is this possible after all this time? Surely they can’t be relying on cannabalisation of other a/c or producing their own spares? They would be dropping like flies if they were.
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How many hundred do you think are currently flying ?
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TIR.............
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Making a quick check courtesy of google, it would appear that there were roughly 340 Airbus types and 330 Boeing types in service prior to the unpleasantries. I can see very roughly 100 flying at the moment.
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A look at the arrivals boards would suggest that the most Russians have a very limited choice of destinations. Should be plenty of accommodation available in Courchevel this winter.
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Would sympathetic Boeing & Airbus customers in other countries order parts for them? If so, this might be hard to prevent.
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Originally Posted by autoflight
(Post 11284666)
Would sympathetic Boeing & Airbus customers in other countries order parts for them? If so, this might be hard to prevent.
All in all, highly unlikely that anyone will do it for the russkies. |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 11284523)
How many hundred do you think are currently flying ?
A couple of dozen random clicks to make sure there weren't any ring-ins' in the data found a lone Turbo-Commander caught up in the filter, but that's about it. The rest all seem to have come from Seattle or Toulouse. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6fee2842d6.jpg |
Thanks for that.
I make that 13 operators, unless anyone has sharper eyes and can add any: AFL Aeroflot Russian Airlines AUL Smartavia Airlines LLM Yamal Airlines NWC North-West Air Company NWS Nordwind Airlines PBD Pobeda RSY I-Fly SBI S7 Airlines SDM Rossiya Airlines SHU Aurora Airlines SVR Ural Airlines TYA NordStar UTA UT Air |
Could China build and supply western style aircraft tyres?
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
(Post 11284975)
Could China build and supply western style aircraft tyres?
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Originally Posted by Madmatt
(Post 11284300)
Boeing and Airbus quite rightly withdrew engineering support for any Russian registered aircraft, yet there are hundreds still flying.
Rest assured that the Boeings and Airbuses that Putin confiscated will continue to fly for a very long time. For parts and whatever, those can always be smuggled via China, or even be 'Made in China'. Aren't Airbuses and Boeings licensed to be assembled in China ? They are !!! Therefore, whatever happens to be necessary, can certainly be arranged ... A bit of thread drift ... Putin would not go for Ukraine without the huge backdoor called China. China will benefit of the vast Russian natural resources, and there isn't that much stuff that Putin can not get via China. It is, as China normally calls it, a 'win win' situation. |
And what if sanctions are brought against China for aiding Russia to bypass the sanctions against them? There are over 2000 Airbus alone in China. Not sure about Boeings.
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Assuming roughly half the fleet is parked, those aircraft can be cannibalized to keep the others flying for quite a while before the standard wear items start to run short. If Russia is smart (big if, as demonstrated by their performance to date in Ukrain), they're currently working on domestic production of the more critical wear items.
The bigger question is, will it ever be viable to return all those Russian controlled aircraft to service outside Russia. |
Just one issue: Who will insure them? They are not treated according to procedures. Maybe they were even sort of misused like over cycled, over houred or ill-maintained with make shift solutions? They will not return to the West.
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Many lessors have effectively written off their aircraft trapped in Russia as they will never be leasable again.
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They will end up like those US-made cars in Cuba.
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Gawd help us. Last time I went in one those in Havana, braking downhill an the car went sideways. Not to mention the 1/4 steering wheel input before anything happened.
Thankfully never went above 30mph…. |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 11285165)
Many lessors have effectively written off their aircraft trapped in Russia as they will never be leasable again.
The longer the RU/UKR "special military operation" continues the more those airframes become worthless, but if it ends soon then IMHO they will be approaching authorities to "get" them accepted by the cheapest means possible..... Holding War risk insurance on a lease is one thing, insurance against a special military operation is another. |
Originally Posted by Less Hair
(Post 11285163)
Just one issue: Who will insure them? They are not treated according to procedures. Maybe they were even sort of misused like over cycled, over houred or ill-maintained with make shift solutions? They will not return to the West.
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