I have to agree with the last couple of sentences here. PPRuNe has lost objectivity - and thus also professionalism.
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You can also do it on a 320 as a couple of colleagues discovered the hard way. |
Hmmm, I am not sure I would consider burst tires (tyres for my UK friends) and wheel issues a "prang"......now wrinkles and dents, O2 masks dropping, gear torn off, etc. that's more like it.....
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Ahh, how typical - Anson & Co moderating the moderators. Talk about objectivity!
If I think 3 gear/ wheel issues is a prang that’s what I’m going to call it; it’s my opinion. I’m not trying to influence your narrow opinions. This is a very serious issue and needs to be addressed and urgently investigated by the relevant authorities. That’s all I’m saying. |
Having spent 41 years working on 737's I would classify this as 3 separate incidences of different failures.
The broken wheel a result of missing a small crack on inspection during the last tire buildup.\ The blown tire a result of an underinflated tire. It could have occurred at any time it was on the axle. Underinflated tires cause heat buildup and eventually failure . The 4 blown tires by skidding on a wet runway and applying brakes before the wheels have come up to speed after touchdown. Locked wheel protection doesn't kick in until the wheel has come up to a certain speed.In the pictures you can see the surface is wet. I have seen all 3 of these failures many times over 41 years and have seen multiple flat spotted tires on the same shift, broken rims about 3 times and blown tires almost weekly. |
Blown tyres weekly? Either some pretty shoddy maintenance or a very dodgy tyre supplier :rolleyes:
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Yeehaw22
or a very large airline perhaps. That aside I am always amazed to see how quickly today by looking at a photo or a FR24 printout so many are already explaining everything , and as a result some more passing immediate judgement of who is to blame and should be fired .:rolleyes: |
I flew the 737 for many years and literally never saw any blown tyres, so for me three in a week in a small airline looks very unusual. I cannot agree that this happening weekly might be considered normal. It will be interesting to find out more, but if I worked for them I would be expecting some increase in ramp checks in the near future.
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That’s all I’m looking for lederhosen - a spotlight on the operator. 3 related issues in one week on a relatively small fleet is simply not normal.
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To be fair you were looking for more. I quote from your opening post: "When an airline starts breaking strong aircraft at the rate of 3 a week it’s time for regulators to shut this airline down".
I think shutting it down would be a little premature at this stage. |
Originally Posted by 4HolerPoler
This is a very serious issue and needs to be addressed and urgently investigated by the relevant authorities.
Yes, one would expect the local regulator to take a look - ideally to see that the operator is correctly assessing the situation themselves. But with the three event all occurring in EASA-land, why not ask EASA to investigate? It is, after all, one of the reasons for requiring reporting from all member states and for setting up a central repository...you know, to identify trends which are not evident within a single State. |
4HolerPoler, just for the sake of clarity, who is moderating this thread? If it's you, isn't that sort of a conflict? I'm not being a wise guy and don't want to get banned for asking.... just wondering what policy is.
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I don’t moderate this forum winemaker - I’m on the Africa, Middle East & Bizjet forums.
Been moderating them for around 25 years now. Africa & the Middle East are my back yard. Hence my concern and request for oversight. When I say “shut it down” I don’t mean close the shop, I mean institute a safety shutdown. I have to snigger when I read first-world pundits like Equivocal (who writes extremely well) suggesting a low-cost Egyptian airline conduct their own internal investigation. Clearly the learned gentleman has little to no exposure to Egyptian aviation ethics and morals, notably on the low-cost end of the line. What a hoot! So by all means, jump on your moral bandwagons and chastise me for being overbearing in my concern and judgment. I will reserve my right to remain significantly concerned that when a low-cost Egyptian airline has 3 landing gear issues in one week in European locations that the holes in the cheese are lining up and bells should be ringing. |
I have many hours on the B737 and have only seen blown tyres on two occasions in my airline.
One incident a high speed reject at max. T/O weight. Another with a mishandled Anti-skid Inop. Landing. Otherwise its very , very hard to blow tyres on a 737. I’d be looking at maintenance or dispatch with an MEL issue. |
After many thousand hours PIC on the 737, I never experienced any of these problems. Nor earlier on the 727. Focus on the common denominators and go from there.
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Some may jump on me for speculating.
Perhaps someone, somewhere is supplying "scrapyard" components from old airframes, which then fail? Or it could be an engineering problem - perhaps the tyre pressure gauge they use is faulty and the tyres are being under-inflated, causing overheating and failure. Or they are setting the wrong pressure for other reasons. The first two incidents could have been caused by under-inflated tyres. The last one suggests a braking problem to me, so probably unrelated - unless the treads of all four tyres were worn below the limits? |
Wonder if these aircraft have been parked up somewhere for a decent amount of time throughout the pandemic somewhere hot and sunny with out covers fitted? UV degradation maybe?
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From what I could glean both SU-TMJ and TMM had only spent a short period in storage between March and July in 2020. Both were certainly fairly active during 2021.
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Uplinker
It's rare for an under-inflated tyre to cause the two halves of a wheel to separate, |
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