As long as this is happening the preflight tests will be suspect.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...-say-1.5186306

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I don't think that the phase III trials have been written up, but the entry in the clinical trials records suggests participants up to 85 years.

Let’s not forget said company’s track record. Research will expose rather a lot of law suits and financial settlements in the past.

Interesting how the term “fake news and anti-vaxer movement” gets loosely thrown around by someone in the medical field above, yet they still lose sight of the fact that there are under 54 million cases (not deaths) worldwide in a population of over 7.8 billion (March 2020). That’s an infection rate of 0.69 percent of the worlds population. The death count from COVID, if the mainstream media is to be believed is 1.3 million which is 0.016 percent of the worlds population.

This is hardly a pandemic to be fair. If one considers the annual cases of influenza, then the worlds reaction ( exacerbated by the media) to Covid seems bizarre.

In the U.K. we touch on around 35-40k deaths a year due to Influenza and nobody bats an eyelid. In some years we have had over 35k excess deaths in the U.K. over and above the norm. Worldwide there are similar annual deaths to flu as the current Covid deaths.

Big pharmaceutical companies stand to make a lot of money off the back of this and so do a lot of powerful people( some of whom are our own MP’s, medical advisers etc with enormous shares is these companies).

Is it not surprising that people are putting certain bits of information together and coming to their own conclusion that possibly all is not what it seems? Why do people have to label others as conspiracy theorists and worse, just because they exercise their rights to critical thinking and freedom of speech.

Everyone who thinks this new Vaccine is the saviour may well find that it is the start of a downward spiral in terms of medical ethics, and the patients right to chose. The loss of integrity by those that make money from the kickback from the big pharma for promoting their vaccines including medical institutions and doctors need to remember they took the Hippocratic Oath.

"Public Health England told Full Fact it estimated that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19 - with the yearly deaths varying widely from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 1,692 in 2018/19."

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavi...0this%20period.

Maxed-out you make some points that are correct but you need to see the bigger picture. Whatever the relevance of 1.3 million deaths (and add all the relatives and friends as well as economic loss to families and employers) there are also the excess deaths due to the closure of healthcare leading to many more early deaths from cancer and heart disease. Add in the economic costs which will cripple the world economy for years. You can argue these are due, at least in part, to governmental mismanagement but the reality is this virus will not go away. We can suppress it but without a vaccine or herd immunity it will continue and I cannot see world leaders change tack and say 'let it rip'. So a vaccine is indeed a saviour

My comments about fake news and anti vaxxers was purely objective. The Russians have allegedly been reporting the vaccine turns you into a monkey. It doesnt. We are not talking about people who have concerns, want more tests before licensing, but those telling lies. Fortunately it is not that important as we only need to vaccinate possibly 50% of the post pubertal population for true suppression.

I disagree with you about pharmaceutical profits and deteriorating ethics but we can have that discussion another day. Unless you have a better method of suppression to restore the economy, healthcare and our aviation industry worldwide please be grateful we have some way out.

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Very interesting that official flu deaths over the winter of 18/19 were so low, 1692. That created a pending pool of even older, more immunocompromised patients over the winter 19/20 period.......1st wave Covid territory.

Add those ‘delayed deaths’ of 15000 approx. to the average flu season deaths of 17000 and you get 32000 which isn’t too far away from
the total Spring 2020 Covid figure.

How naughty of older people to not die in 18/19...

I don't think this report has been mentioned. Link from Avweb
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/con...#html_fulltext

This report did the rounds in Ireland about 3 weeks ago when it came out.

It’s a strangely worded report as whilst most claims in can be verified, many other claims are subjective and open to actually supporting the idea that flying is a low risk event.

So you come away thinking ‘so is flying a hotbed for transmission or not’

The Irish government were in the final stages of announcing the current, highest level of restrictions and it’s said it was used to justify the stringent anti-travel measures.

This item from the NZ Herald proves the counterfactual to this idea

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-...5LVSVQC43CMBI/

this is very convincing evidence that transmission can occur at least in a long flight. Very hard to argue with the science here.