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Check Airman 19th Aug 2020 16:26

FedEx 767 landing without left main gear extended
 
Accident: Fedex B763 at Los Angeles on Aug 19th 2020, left main gear did not extend

Herod 19th Aug 2020 17:22

Nice job. Pat on the back.

Airbubba 19th Aug 2020 17:32

They apparently tried manual gear extension, the main gear doors appeared to be open on landing.

As far as the cockpit rope evacuation, remember one of the FedEx MEM crashes where the crew was faulted for tossing out flight kits and Christmas presents before all the folks were out of the plane? Can't blame them for being anxious to get out with a report of flames trailing the plane on landing. Do the FedEx B-763's have door slides? Or inertial reels on the entry door?

White Knight 19th Aug 2020 17:45

Well done and nicely stopped on the centreline:ok:

Personally, being the big uncoordinated Gumby (Monty Python fans will know this one:)) that I am I would definitely have tried the slide first! Those evacuation ropes really don't agree with me unless there's 1,500^ licking at my nether regions!

tdracer 19th Aug 2020 17:53

Airbubba

Assuming these are the 'new build' 767Fs (i.e. not some STC conversion), yes the main door has a slide. But the regs say you need to assume half the exits are blocked, so you need at least two ways out - hence the ropes out the flight deck windows. No idea why they didn't go out the main door though...

Airbubba 19th Aug 2020 18:03

You might want to check that, the UPS B-763's are not conversions and I'm told they don't have slides, they have inertia reels.

My guess is that they saw the glow of the sparks on the left side and didn't want to take the chance of evacuating into a wing fire or something.

tdracer 19th Aug 2020 18:12

I figured it was a new build freighter. I've done flight tests on FedEx 767Fs and they most definitely had a slide on the main door.
Where are you hearing 'no slides'? As I noted before, the regs say you need (at least) two ways out.

swh 19th Aug 2020 18:24

How many of the windows open ?

rb14 19th Aug 2020 18:32

The reporter in the clip above mentioned that the sparks resulted from one of the engines that was scraping "on the pavement". Weird runway at LAX if it has a pavement. Who is it there for? Has it a zebra crossing as well?

Yeah, I know. Sorry.

Airbubba 19th Aug 2020 18:45


Originally Posted by tdracer (Post 10865337)
I figured it was a new build freighter. I've done flight tests on FedEx 767Fs and they most definitely had a slide on the main door.

The new FedEx B-763's probably all have slides then as you said.


Originally Posted by tdracer (Post 10865337)
Where are you hearing 'no slides'? As I noted before, the regs say you need (at least) two ways out.

I meant that the UPS B-763's apparently don't have slides. Here's a picture of the entry door area in an article by B-763F driver Ken Hoke.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....65d9af5032.jpg

Flying in Cargo Class: The Anatomy of an Air Freighter - NYCAviationNYCAviation





DaveReidUK 19th Aug 2020 19:30


Originally Posted by tdracer (Post 10865317)
Assuming these are the 'new build' 767Fs (i.e. not some STC conversion), yes the main door has a slide. But the regs say you need to assume half the exits are blocked, so you need at least two ways out - hence the ropes out the flight deck windows. No idea why they didn't go out the main door though...

Yes, built as a freighter in 2017.

This video of the approach and landing appears to shown both MLG doors open:



One of the crew reportedly suffered a foot injury during the evacuation.

DaveReidUK 19th Aug 2020 19:34

rb14

If the US reporter had meant what we Brits call a pavement, he'd have called it a sidewalk. :O

Across the Pond, pavement simply means a hard, paved surface. Like a runway, in fact. As in PCN.

Broomstick Flier 19th Aug 2020 20:17

B767F jock here

I confirm that ours (all factory-built freighters) don't have an escape slide, the two options are inertial reels close to the main door, or the ropes at the cockpit windows. Maybe it is an option now and FedEx opted for it.

Airbubba 19th Aug 2020 20:20

Thanks, that's what I thought.

gearlever 19th Aug 2020 20:43

Why to EVAC via cockpit window ropes?
Was there a fire?

JPJP 19th Aug 2020 21:22

Dear Yoda,

The inertial reels on the L1 door may not have worked as advertised due to the left wing down attitude. The left side of the jet is also closest to the (perceived) threat. Hence, the cockpit escape rope on the FO side was used.


clark y 19th Aug 2020 22:40

I think a few of us are learning something new today. No slides on some large aircraft. I never would have guessed.
As for the idea of the inertial reel not working at door L1 due to left wing down, is it really that much closer to the ground than door R1?

JPJP 20th Aug 2020 02:18


Originally Posted by clark y (Post 10865510)
As for the idea of the inertial reel not working at door L1 due to left wing down, is it really that much closer to the ground than door R1?

Thatís a good question. But itís safe to assume they were talking extensively to Flight Ops during the hold. There is no R1 on the FedEx 76 freighter, so the alternative is L1 inertial reel or the escape ropes in the cockpit.

The inertial reel set up on the 74F involves a diaper harness and a jump. If you reach the ground before the deceleration, it would really suck. I assume the same level of suck would occur on a canted over 76.

Although; seeing one of the flight crew doing the snail crawl away from the jet, with the CFR guy in hot pursuit wasnít funny either. Unless youíve got a slightly sick sense of humor 🤞.

clark y 20th Aug 2020 02:37

Second thing I've learnt today. No Right 1 door on the freighter.

Found the video below. Interesting watch. It's a looong way down from the roof.


Airbubba 20th Aug 2020 05:14

2 Attachment(s)
LiveATC edited audio from SOCAL Approach, the final tower frequency of 127.85 apparently did not record.

Zip files which will open on most computers, not on most phones or tablets.

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The Part 2 file posted here earlier didn't have both sides of the ATC conversation about whether to land gear up, a better edit of the final vectors for the landing is posted below.


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