777s are a hauler..especially the 300’s. All the pax all the freight all the fuel. (Almost :ok:) License to print money if you can fill them up (which is the current problem)
I heard someone say they had the best underfloor cargo capability in class. |
777 SLF-ing to Texas with BA, our captain explained that someone had stuffed a wooden crate in the hold and they were waiting to see if the wiring had be affected.
It had. |
Originally Posted by procede
(Post 10782806)
The 777s could be easy to sell for freighter conversions.
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The power plants look almost as big as the fuselage! Damn...
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Originally Posted by Drc40
(Post 10782944)
The power plants look almost as big as the fuselage! Damn...
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Originally Posted by LostWanderer
(Post 10782936)
Very true, I'd almost put money on the fact they already are sold or maybe have some deal pending.
Given the current environment, they may want to work to accelerate that schedule... |
Originally Posted by MichaelKPIT
(Post 10782950)
The engines are WIDER than a 737/757 fuselage!
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using those secret airline codes like SQ, CX, QF and BR here on the so-called Professional Pilots Rumour Network. That airline was forced to end its service due to changes in the economy, so I can empathize with the airline's challenges these days.... |
Originally Posted by Pilot DAR
(Post 10782612)
I'm sure that many people reading this know who DL is, and what company Ed Bastian works for. For what it's worth, I'm not one of those people....
Originally Posted by Airbubba
(Post 10782654)
I always feel apologetic about using those secret airline codes like SQ, CX, QF and BR here on the so-called Professional Pilots Rumour Network. It's an airline thing I suppose.
Originally Posted by Pilot DAR
(Post 10782976)
Yes, some codes are better known than others. Yes, I could look up DL, to find Delta. I've flown as a Delta passenger many times, I just don't have their code memorized, and would be more happy to see the full name in the title of a thread.
For example: NRT (Narita, Japan - Near Tokyo) https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6c8e897f17.jpg LHR (London, England) https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fe05e07d92.jpg CDG (Paris, France) https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....50ea779931.jpg |
Originally Posted by mattyj
(Post 10782908)
777s are a hauler..especially the 300’s. All the pax all the freight all the fuel. (Almost :ok:) License to print money if you can fill them up (which is the current problem)
I heard someone say they had the best underfloor cargo capability in class. |
Originally Posted by NG_Kaptain
(Post 10782906)
Airbubba...
Don't feel apologetic about using the ICAO or IATA codes, after all this is a "Professional Pilots Rumour Network". |
I am writing under correction, but did Delta not make an extensive investment in refurbishing their 767 fleet’s interiors? Apart from the large fleet of 767 which they operate, that may also play a role?
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Delta has become Airbus Industries favorite customer and at this time I would bet Airbus gave Delta a sweet deal along with government sponsored savings based on the quantity of aircraft Delta has committed to. Knowing that Delta and the industry has excess capacity, for now, Delta probably did not want to eliminate one of the most popular and capable aircraft in their fleet but had no choice based on the numbers and the goal to maintain a newer fleet. This situation will test every airline management to make very tough and unpopular decisions. Next will be furloughs and pay cuts. There will be a lot of pain and disillusions as the various airlines, and travel industry, employees unwind their budgets to this reality. One moment there was unlimited prosperity and the next moment there was unemployment, not what all those new pilots and Flight Crew ever expected. Contract negotiations are going to be pretty rough.
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It always seemed the two small 777 sub-fleets at Delta were a bit out on a limb in their overall set of aircraft, so it's no real surprise they look to remove them. A number of 777-200s from the era of their first half of the fleet had already been scrapped by other carriers.
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Don't feel apologetic about using the ICAO or IATA codes, after all this is a "Professional Pilots Rumour Network". For those times I fly as a crew member (knowing that most of my professional piloting is solo), the pre takeoff briefing will include: "Is that understood?" meaning that the pilot preforming the briefing would like to assure understanding with the crew. I hope that professional effort toward effective communication can extend to posts, or at least the titles.... |
Originally Posted by Check Airman
(Post 10782691)
My bold. If the 777 is that much less efficient than the A350, how is Boeing still selling them? What am I missing here?
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The aircraft everyone loves for mixed cargo/pax ops is the 777-300ER - not the small predecessor 777-200s (ER/LR). Those are being replaced by either the 787 or the A350,
Of course, you have to have the cargo and pax volume. One of those is currently missing... |
I guess Bastian used the term 'iconic' for the 777 to big up the crews. I have nerv thought of it as 'iconic'. It was just a very good, very big, twin. What i liked about it was that it was built 'old style' and any prangs it has been in show that it holds up very well.
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Originally Posted by RAWLAW
(Post 10783205)
One moment there was unlimited prosperity and the next moment there was unemployment, not what all those new pilots and Flight Crew ever expected. Contract negotiations are going to be pretty rough.
In 2019, the pilots helped fuel the company’s unprecedented run of profitability. During the summer, the pilot group flew record amounts of overtime, which enabled Delta to execute and capitalize on an aggressive flying schedule. The pilots’ continued leadership on the line fueled Delta’s stellar operational performance. As the company looks to continue to build its brand and create loyal customers, the pilots are proud to deliver a product that generates a revenue premium. “We’re negotiating for a new pilot working agreement during the most favorable environment in Delta’s history,” said Schnitzler. “Delta is earning record profits, has built a diversified business model able to weather negative economic cycles, has the cash flow to invest in shareholders and joint ventures, and has dedicated employees willing to go the extra mile to maximize revenue and serve our customers.” |
Yeah in response to the person who said get them converted to freighter, there is no such conversion at this time and if there was there’d be bookings until 2030 right now..and the Israeli conversion is only for the 300 as far as I understand. My airline tried to give our 200s back to the lessor but they didn’t want that in the current climate. The ones we own outright we enquired about mothballing in the usual boneyards, and they said join the back of the queue..no one wants them for parts and the boneyards will only take them if you pay exorbitant parking charges as they have more than they need.
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