Nobody has talked about the role of the regulator here. The engineer held a license issued by an aviation authority with skills and knowledge requirements defined by them, arguably significantly dumbed down from what used to be required. The manual he was using and which you could make an argument was not fit for purpose, was approved by the authority.
industry on both sides of the Atlantic have actively pushed to marginalize and neuter regulators. This works great and saves manufacturers and air operators tons of money until the airliner dives itself into the ground or the whole rotor comes off the transport category helicopter at 2000 ft AGL....... |
Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever
(Post 10762893)
Nobody has talked about the role of the regulator here
Perhaps ‘execs’, like the travelling public, believe that all the massively costly and inconvenient ‘regulation’ they are subjected to, should mean that the ‘cheap’ ones are also ‘good’ enough. |
I agree. The amount of fuel in the aircraft is measured in weight, but the amount of additive to be added is in volume.
The AMM writers were a bit sloppy with that procedure. I haven't checked the Airnav glossary recently, but I wonder if PPM is actually there. And in any case, how hard would it have been to clarify and write Parts Per Million? Airbus manuals are usually full of charts and tables. Why didn't they add one detailing the amount of additive according to fuel tanks contents. |
Originally Posted by Webby737
(Post 10761695)
I agree with this, even for someone like me whose first language is English the Airbus manuals can sometimes be hard work.
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So who proves reads the manuals after they are initially written, anyone close to hand, office cleaner? For heaven's sake, to say that a Tech author is unlikely to have English as their first language is ridiculous, employ one who does have English as their first language. Simples!
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Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 10763690)
Bear in mind that at Airbus the Technical Author is unlikely to have English as their first language, as well.
I'll also add that many of the employees, including I suspect the ones that write the manuals have never worked in aircraft maintenance. A couple of years ago during an Airbus audit I was asked a question, my reply was "we use the SRM" The next question was "what's an SRM?" |
Originally Posted by esscee
(Post 10763717)
So who proves reads the manuals after they are initially written, anyone close to hand, office cleaner? For heaven's sake, to say that a Tech author is unlikely to have English as their first language is ridiculous, employ one who does have English as their first language. Simples!
Still, at least they are better than the Sukhoi manuals, I think they used Google Translate on those ! |
Originally Posted by winglit
(Post 10763475)
The AMM writers were a bit sloppy with that procedure. I haven't checked the Airnav glossary recently, but I wonder if PPM is actually there. And in any case, how hard would it have been to clarify and write Parts Per Million?
Airbus manuals are usually full of charts and tables. Why didn't they add one detailing the amount of additive according to fuel tanks contents. |
Originally Posted by esscee
(Post 10763717)
So who proves reads the manuals after they are initially written, anyone close to hand, office cleaner?!
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Originally Posted by Webby737
(Post 10763733)
It was noted somewhere in the report that PPM was not in the Airnav glossary.
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Airbus is kind of a large company with a very broad employee base in their engineering departments. I wouldn't even consider a shortfall in writing skills towards the benefit of their customer base. What to communicate, how and where.may be argued here.
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Originally Posted by Momoe
(Post 10762791)
Before anyone else criticises ground maintenance and throws in the "Pay peanuts, get monkeys adage", how many folk at the pointy end have royally screwed weight calculations and had some interesting flex take offs, or failed to configure correctly for take-off.
One common denominator here and that is we're all human. Passing comment is fine,but passing judgement, without being in possession of all the facts is rather dumb! Everyone has screwed up royally in the work place,if you never have,it’s just a matter of time! To hear some of the posters pontificating on this is rather irksome.When you screwed up or when you screw up,it doesn’t necessarily make you an idiot,just human! Next you’ll all be telling me you’ve always follow procedures............ |
Originally Posted by cashash
(Post 10763921)
It is in my pdf copy of the MM. I dont now have access to Airnav so cant check that.
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Originally Posted by woptb
(Post 10763926)
A lot of perfect humans on here!
Passing comment is fine,but passing judgement, without being in possession of all the facts is rather dumb! Everyone has screwed up royally in the work place,if you never have,it’s just a matter of time! To hear some of the posters pontificating on this is rather irksome.When you screwed up or when you screw up,it doesn’t necessarily make you an idiot,just human! Next you’ll all be telling me you’ve always follow procedures............ The only way to never f*ck up is to do nothing ! |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10760729)
Or, millilitres per litre - which comes to the same thing, but may be a bit more intuitive. Those are the units quoted in the FAA bulletin.
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While I can attest that operating a contemporary jet is not an exact science, certainly there is hope that the engineering would be. PPM stands for 1 x 10^(-6), no units given - it's a simple multiplier.
1 ppm = 1 mg/L A case of a point for the voices saying ppm is hard to grasp on the line:
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent
(Post 10765050)
Perhaps mg/kg or ml/m^3, anyone?
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10765085)
Are you suggesting that fuelling in cubic metres could catch on ?
Two morals of the story:
Question stands. Which units - weight or volume - are used in the original Kathon recipe of the AMM? |
Originally Posted by FlightDetent
(Post 10765276)
Question stands. Which units - weight or volume - are used in the original Kathon recipe of the AMM?
The answer is 'volume' - I did notice though that if you are using Biobor then the units are 'weight' https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....53c7fe880e.png |
As an aside if you use a metered injection rig to carry out the addition of the Kathon, the AMM provides a handy calculation chart to get the correct amount.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0e6a030d52.png |
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