MyCargo 747 hard tail strike on take-off
ACT Airlines (aka MyCargo) Boeing 747-400 freighter operating for Saudia Arabian Airlines struck tail on runway on departure from Dammam to Zaragoza, diverted to Jeddah. Looks like severe damage to the tail cone.
Pics here: http://avherald.com/h?article=4d2bf0d1&opt=0 |
Well that is some serious damage.
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I like this comment from the link:
Not a strike, more like a grand slam homer! |
I expect the video of that takeoff is impressive. Well, if there is video.
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Worst one I've seen! I wonder how big the discrepancy was between actual weight and performance calculations...
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2003 dropped the APU
https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20030312-0 https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....91dcdd5a39.jpg Home » Database » 2003 Last updated: 2 February 2020 Status: Final Date: Wednesday 12 March 2003 Time: 15:28 Type: Silhouette image of generic B744 model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different Boeing 747-412 Operator: Singapore Airlines Registration: 9V-SMT C/n / msn: 27137/990 First flight: 1993-08-04 (9 years 7 months) Total airframe hrs: 43627 Cycles: 6712 Engines: 4 Pratt & Whitney PW4056 Crew: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 20 Passengers: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 369 Total: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 389 Aircraft damage: Substantial Aircraft fate: Repaired Location: Auckland International Airport (AKL) ( New Zealand) Phase: Takeoff (TOF) Nature: International Scheduled Passenger Departure airport: Auckland International Airport (AKL/NZAA), New Zealand Destination airport: Singapore-Changi International Airport (SIN/WSSS), Singapore Flightnumber: 286 Narrative: Singapore Airlines flight SQ286 taxied to runway 23L at Auckland's International Airport and was cleared for takeoff. When the captain rotated the aeroplane for lift-off the tail struck the runway and scraped for some 490 metres until the aeroplane became airborne. The tail strike occurred because the rotation speed was 33 knots less than the 163 knots required for the aeroplane weight. The rotation speed had been mistakenly calculated for an aeroplane weighing 100 tonnes less than the actual weight of 9V-SMT. A takeoff weight transcription error, which remained undetected, led to the miscalculation of the takeoff data, which in turn resulted in a low thrust setting and excessively slow takeoff reference speeds. The system defences did not ensure the errors were detected, and the aeroplane flight management system itself did not provide a final defence against mismatched information being programmed into it. During the takeoff the aeroplane moved close to the runway edge and the pilots did not respond correctly to a stall warning. Probable Cause: The final report did not contain a "Probable cause". Accident investigation: cover Investigating agency: TAIC New Zealand Status: Investigation completed Duration: 252 days (8 months) Accident number: 03-003 Download report: Final report Classification: Tailstrike Forced landing on runway photo of Boeing-747-412-9V-SMT accident date: 12-03-2003 type: Boeing 747-412 registration: 9V-SMT Unless otherwise stated: copyright © 1996-2020 Aviation Safety Network (ASN) |
Originally Posted by Intruder
(Post 10678060)
Worst one I've seen! I wonder how big the discrepancy was between actual weight and performance calculations...
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Yup
There's tail scrapes, and then there's TAIL SCRAPES That isn't going to buff out |
Originally Posted by Intruder
(Post 10678060)
Worst one I've seen! I wonder how big the discrepancy was between actual weight and performance calculations...
I don't think he was joking :uhoh: |
100 tons is a popular (and understandable) error for performance. Emirates Flight 407 tailscrape in YMML is reminiscent of the damage to this aircraft with a performance calculation error 100 tons too low: Tailstrike and runway overrun - Airbus A340-541, A6-ERG, Melbourne Airport, Victoria, 20 March 2009
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e98b1e2042.jpg |
They climbed to FL180 and continued to their Jeddah base with this damage!
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With The SQ incident the crew had recently converted to the 747 from the A340 and the incorrect figure didn't stand out from what they were use to. I can't remember the details but it was around a 100 ton out. In typical crew black humour 9V-SMT, became known as 'Scrape My Tail'. The Captain was a very nice bloke from Sri Lanka.
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Originally Posted by Icelanta
(Post 10678153)
They climbed to FL180 and continued to their Jeddah base with this damage!
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Originally Posted by Groundloop
(Post 10678219)
If I remember correctly the Singapore crew climbed to cruising height and flew all the way from Auckland to Singapore.
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Icelanta, # 11, - flying damaged aircraft.
Hindsight - your view of the damaged aircraft, outside the aircraft, several photos to interpret, many times. The crew's view, instruments, feel, vibration, perhaps without anything obvious; their understanding at that time, and their decision. 'All decisions are correct at the time'; only after time are they judged as suitable or not so. |
Originally Posted by alf5071h
(Post 10678229)
Icelanta, # 11, - flying damaged aircraft.
Hindsight - your view of the damaged aircraft, outside the aircraft, several photos to interpret, many times. The crew's view, instruments, feel, vibration, perhaps without anything obvious; their understanding at that time, and their decision. 'All decisions are correct at the time'; only after time are they judged as suitable or not so. Some time ago, I was a pax in a wee Boeing that did a takeoff on a domestic leg. Beside me snoring, was another pilot, we were on our way to do an air law exam for the company we had joined. Looking across sleeping beauty out the window, was impressed by the snatch flare [I'm a dunce, F2 corrected me... read: "Rotate"], enough that before we hit the skid, it looked inevitable. Was impressive. So, 1 sec later, a wiggle was felt along the length of the tube to where I was sitting, not enough to awake sleeping beauty from his slumber though, he slept until landing. Now most planes have the same procedure once the tail has been tapped, words like, don't pressurise, land ASAP etc. Which was apparently at the planned destination. Yup, we climbed away from a VFR airport to cruise at 28,000' and descend to land at another airport some 300nm distant. Post landing, as we walked off the aircraft, I stopped in front of the nose of the plane to see if the crew were aware of what they did. Yup, that too, two unhappy campers whip down the stairs off the aero bridge and walk briskly to the tail. They walk back somewhat more deflated a minute later. So, crews apparently have different views on the check lists. A few months later, after another saga, in conversation a comment was made whether the wash up on this tail strike was known by me. Story was, pilot had a friend, FO agreed that the pilot should put the friend in the RHS for the takeoff, and pilot gave effects of controls to the friend in the RHS. I found out about that having arrived at 5AM in the morning, told this at 7AM, and was back at the safety managers office at 8AM confirming the gist of the story. At 815AM I met the DDFO (a nice guy) confirmed that the pilots disciplinary action was a 2 week paid leave. At 816AM I handed over my ID and said "not impressed". So, tail strikes can have many causes, some are a little out of the ordinary. Tin hat off.... |
Looking quickly at FR24, the aircraft actually climbed initially to FL50 and leveled off. It then climbed to FL 70 and went into a holding pattern near Hanidh at FL70. After 25 mins holding (at FL70) it set course for Jeddah climbing to FL100, which it maintained for about 8 mins before climbing to FL150. It then maintained FL150 for about 40 mins before a further climb to FL180.
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Originally Posted by Groundloop
(Post 10678219)
If I remember correctly the Singapore crew climbed to cruising height and flew all the way from Auckland to Singapore.
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Looking across sleeping beauty out the window, was impressed by the snatch flare, enough that before we hit the skid, it looked inevitable. |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 10678288)
Why would you post something like that. The Incident Report is readily available stating otherwise! :confused:
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