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Originally Posted by lcolman
(Post 10656807)
What you are suggesting amounts to censorship of this subject, which by the way is something that the news websites seem to be doing by closing their comments sections on this subject.
I would suggest that sites like this are a fantastic source to disseminate real information regarding touchy subjects like this that are not moderated by the media outlets, all of whom show an overwhelming desire to appease Iran. I don't suggest that I know whether or not this aircraft was shot down or had a catastrophic failure of some sort, but it does a disservice to the people who died on that flight to assist in hiding the truth - and that begins with censoring subjects related to it. Truth is written by the victors, if any remain to write it. |
A bit more fact-free speculation.
As the problems appear to have occurred at about 5000' AGL if it were brought down by ground fire it would need to be a weapon effective at that distance from where it was fired, that rules out rifle fire, don't know the effective range of the Stinger and such like. For that amount of disintegration before impact, if it was an on board bomb, I think it would have to have been a big one. |
Originally Posted by The Bartender
(Post 10656909)
Looking for any higher resolution images on Google, i found this one, showing the large fuselage side actually covered in rocks and pebbles rather than small holes...
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d515c440b8.jpg The parts do seem to match up. There appears to have been some cutting of that fuselage part between the two images being recorded. See oval in yellow. Cut by recovery/rescue teams? https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e8030b3070.jpg |
Originally Posted by iggie
(Post 10656844)
An airline official is quoted as saying 'Given the complexity of the flight there was a reinforced crew on this flight'.
Can anybody explain/elaborate on this? |
Originally Posted by TEEEJ
(Post 10657011)
Good find!
The parts do seem to match up. There appears to have been some cutting of that fuselage part between the two images being recorded. See oval in yellow. Cut by recovery/rescue teams? https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e8030b3070.jpg |
A bit more fact-free speculation.
As the problems appear to have occurred at about 5000' AGL if it were brought down by ground fire it would need to be a weapon effective at that distance from where it was fired, that rules out rifle fire, don't know the effective range of the Stinger and such like. For that amount of disintegration before impact, if it was an on board bomb, I think it would have to have been a big one. |
Originally Posted by Ripton
(Post 10657031)
With regards to the cutting, it looks like there may be a shadow on the low res TV image. It's likely any cutting would have dislodged the pebbles/dirt. Perhaps play with the brightness/contrast settings.
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Originally Posted by Ripton
(Post 10657031)
With regards to the cutting, it looks like there may be a shadow on the low res TV image. It's likely any cutting would have dislodged the pebbles/dirt. Perhaps play with the brightness/contrast settings.
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Originally Posted by donotdespisethesnake
(Post 10657043)
Indeed, it's a piece of fuselage that has torn and bent up. People are so bad at interpreting low res images, they shouldn't even try.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....585baa9c0f.jpg High resolution at following link https://inews.co.uk/images-i.jpimedi...ane-083866.jpg |
I suspect that I know the answer but does the 737NG transfer maintenance data on ACARS?
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Originally Posted by Ghostdancer
(Post 10657074)
Politics before flight safety I fear.
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Originally Posted by sky9
(Post 10657069)
I suspect that I know the answer but does the 737NG transfer maintenance data on ACARS?
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Originally Posted by A. Muse
(Post 10656918)
Curious as to why somone was filming this particular flight on their mobile phone early in the morning unless they were expecting something to happen to it......... ..... and then continuing to follow when it was almost out of sight behind trees....
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Originally Posted by OldnGrounded
(Post 10657079)
Boeing doesn't typically read and evaluate data recorders after accident flights, so there's no reason it should receive this one. If anyone has information suggesting that Iran intends to withhold the FDR & CVR from appropriate investigators (BEA, perhaps), let us know.
Annex 13 requires that "the State conducting the investigation shall arrange for the read-out of the flight recorders without delay". It goes on to recommend that if the investigating state doesn't have that capability, it should use the facilities made available to it by other states, taking into account the capabilities and location of the facility in question and the likely timescale. No third party has an automatic right to demand access to the FDR or CVR. In the unlikely event that the Iranians take up the US offer of assistance in this area, it would be the NTSB that reads the recorders. More likely, as alluded to above, it will be the BEA or BFU (or maybe even the AAIB). |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10657110)
It's not a question of "witholding" access to the recorders.
Annex 13 requires that "the State conducting the investigation shall arrange for the read-out of the flight recorders without delay". It goes on to recommend that if the investigating state doesn't have that capability, it should use the facilities made available to it by other states, taking into account the capabilities and location of the facility in question and the likely timescale. No third party has an automatic right to demand access to the FDR or CVR. In the unlikely event that the Iranians take up the US offer of assistance in this area, it would be the NTSB that reads the recorders. More likely, as alluded to above, it will be the BEA or BFU (or maybe even the AAIB). |
Originally Posted by OldnGrounded
(Post 10657079)
Boeing doesn't typically read and evaluate data recorders after accident flights, so there's no reason it should receive this one. If anyone has information suggesting that Iran intends to withhold the FDR & CVR from appropriate investigators (BEA, perhaps), let us know.
But if he did say that, then adding [words to the effect of] 'we won't send them to the manufacturer' would make a lot more sense. Of course that makes for a far less juicy soundbite than "Iran will not provide Boeing with the black boxes", as if Boeing were somehow expecting to be given them. It seems there is a lot being lost (and gained) in the translation and interpretation. |
Originally Posted by Tetsuo
(Post 10657109)
The timing of the crash is around 6:18 am local time, which is a very reasonable timing for morning prayers. Might be someone on the way to or from a local mosque. There is not much happening around that time of the day, and airport being close I think it is pretty normal to film a fireball you spot in the sky with your phone and chase it to see what happens.
Another possibility for the accident to put out there is that the ground crew were nervous (and perhaps exhausted from the funeral/protest), the pilots wanted to get out while the getting was good, and the plane needed to be deiced. It would not be surprising if people were rushing and made a mistake somewhere. |
The engine picture on AVHerald has outward bend wholes....
Uncontained engine failure with catastrophic result? There also seems to be some sort of heat (whitened metal) discoloration visible..... Any thoughts on that picture? |
Can anyone recall an uncontainable engine failure on a 737 (or equivalent) that:
a) caused a significant inflight fire b) brought the aircraft down c) created a crew load such no contact with ATC occurred - GY |
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