Icelandair Maxes ferried to Spain with flaps 1?
Icelandair have been ferrying their five MAX-8's to Lleida, Spain (LEDA) for storage. The ferry flights are being conducted with Flap 1 to eliminate the possibility of MCAS activating. Since the limitation for flight with flaps extended is FL200, the flights are being flown at FL190, hence the fuel stop in Shannon. Looking at the indirect routing it appears that they have been avoiding French airspace. http://www.b737.org.uk/tf-icy.htm Belt and braces I guess, but seems a long trip with the flaps out. |
Look at it from the positive side. At least they are flying! |
Originally Posted by reverserunlocked
(Post 10592739)
Icelandair have been ferrying their five MAX-8's to Lleida.................seems a long trip with the flaps out. We once ferried an A330 back from Sanford, KSFB, with the gear locked down.............at FL250 and 250kts.........long story. I cannot remember the fuel flow now, but we had to refuel at Goose Bay. Odd, though that the MCAS cannot be deactivated by the engineers? I suppose inoperative MCAS is a no-go item on a Max? |
Originally Posted by Uplinker
(Post 10592784)
Indeed, but only flap 1. What would that be, 10% - 20% extra burn?
We once ferried an A330 back from Sanford, KSFB, with the gear locked down.............at FL250 and 250kts.........long story. I cannot remember the fuel flow now, but we had to refuel at Goose Bay. Odd, though that the MCAS cannot be deactivated by the engineers? I suppose inoperative MCAS is a no-go item on a Max? To me, it suggests that there is something fundamentally wrong with the natural balance of the aircraft occasioned by the revised engine installation (or whatever) and it requires the intervention of the MCAS gizmo to disguise this. Pulling a few plugs in the harness evidently won't do. |
Originally Posted by Uplinker
(Post 10592784)
Odd, though that the MCAS cannot be deactivated by the engineers? I suppose inoperative MCAS is a no-go item on a Max?
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Yes, Uplinker, I think we all remember that little escapade. I seem to remember that crew did not believe the fuel consumption figures that they were given on their PLOG. Thought they knew better and could get all the way back. Thank goodness for Goose!
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Other aircraft reported F1 as approx 7% more fuel burn. But that's at the same altitude. They're flying F1 at FL190 instead of cruising at OPT ALT which would be FL360 or higher depending upon weight. The difference in altitude is approx. 25-30% plus the additional drag from the flaps. Maybe 35% overall??
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Silk Air is flying Max from Singapore to Alice Springs in Australia. That would be around 2800nm... A few drinkie stops? |
Originally Posted by Global Aviator
(Post 10593048)
Silk Air is flying Max from Singapore to Alice Springs in Australia. That would be around 2800nm... A few drinkie stops? |
These planes have been sitting for months. Now they're being moved to a storage facility. Is that an indication that the operators have gotten the word that they won't be flying any time soon?
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Storage costs would be much cheaper in Lleada and Alice, and there would be less clutter at busy airports where parking is at a premium. Rumour has it the the fee for the 5 TUI Maxes parked down the end of the taxiway at MAN is around 2000 GBP a day.
kika |
pm for you GWYN :ok:
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Originally Posted by Uplinker
(Post 10592784)
We once ferried an A330 back from Sanford, KSFB, with the gear locked down.............at FL250 and 250kts.........long story. I cannot remember the fuel flow now, but we had to refuel at Goose Bay.
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Kind of ironic when you consider that the MAX was specifically designed for a lower fuel burn..... |
Is Spain cheaper than KEF??
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Originally Posted by ManaAdaSystem
(Post 10593382)
Is Spain cheaper than KEF??
David |
Migrating to warm, dry locations for the winter. It makes sense.
If it lasts much longer, the grounding will have lasted longer than the entire development program. |
Airlines moving their aircraft from cold or humid areas to dryer warmer climates doesn’t sound like airlines preparing to return the aircraft to service any time soon. I wonder if the extra maintenance engineers hired by Boeing in July are being paid ‘waiting time’? |
Air Canada have ferried ten MAXs to Marana AZ within the last few weeks also.
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Originally Posted by ChazR
(Post 10593388)
If it lasts much longer, the grounding will have lasted longer than the entire development program.
Stupid thing to say. |
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