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Filming on short final
Happened on final to runway 13 in AEP, Buenos Aires. Both pilots where filming with there mobiles as shown on the video in the link below.
Smart thing to do by these Austral guys, as smart as sharing the video!:mad: Case is being investigated https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cla...4Ni1J.amp.html |
Of course, there were wonderful fireworks. Surprising they didn't deviate to the right to get a better look. What could go wrong?
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Fireworks display 0.1nm off the ILS. Great.
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Captain Warren Vanderburgh must be rolling in his grave.
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:ugh::mad::ugh: |
Autoland while watching fireworks
Bernard Ziegler was right after all, a concierge really can fly a modern airliner...... |
Not great but the proximity to those things that go bang was probably the greater threat.
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Watch right at the end. Capt in left hand seat pans right to film the fireworks and FO is also filming on his phone. Really, are they 10 to be that impressed by fireworks and so unprofessional? and there are people on here who say pilots are miles smarter than doctors because there are fewer pilots than doctors. It makes me very worried.
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Originally Posted by +TSRA
(Post 10587651)
Captain Warren Vanderburgh must be rolling in his grave.
What a disrespect to their customers, employer, well to themself... |
The real crime is the left seater filming in vertical mode! What the $%&@I was he thinking!!!!!!
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Re the F/.O taking photos with his phone on finals that reminds me of a line in an old French movie where the capt is trying to land a DC3 with 1/4 flaps on a very small bush runway :
F/O : We are not going to make it ! Capt : Yes, but why are you taking your camera out ? F/O : Since we are going to crash I want to immortalize the moment.! |
For those subject to US regulations, the use of any personal electronic device (PED) is prohibited by a crew member occupying a control seat from brake release to brake set. An electronic flight bag is only an EFB while accessing required flight material, any other use turns the EFB into a PED. FAR 121.542: (d) During all flight time as defined in 14 CFR 1.1, no flight crewmember may use, nor may any pilot in command permit the use of, a personal wireless communications device (as defined in 49 U.S.C. 44732(d)) or laptop computer while at a flight crewmember duty station unless the purpose is directly related to operation of the aircraft, or for emergency, safety-related, or employment-related communications, in accordance with air carrierprocedures approved by the Administrator. |
Habits are hard to die, especially in Argentina. I suggest you look into Enrico Pineyro's work
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So the EGPWS 1000 foot call goes off and 14 seconds later one of them calls "gear down" (what height above ground are they at by this time) and I can't hear a landing checklist being conducted, then almost immediately after we hear another EGPWS call. Then we see both pilots are seen with their phones filming the fireworks... Who's minding the store?
If I were the chief pilot, they would both be fired or at the very least a nice suspension without pay! |
Some may remember...
-Diverted attention If the pilots were listening to a soccer match on the radio, their attention was surely diverted from flying the aircraft and monitoring their situation. There are suggestions that the flight crew was listening to Brazil vs. Chile World Cup match in the radio1, another example of a hazardous attitude. |
Originally Posted by CaptainMongo
(Post 10587950)
For those subject to US regulations, the use of any personal electronic device (PED) is prohibited by a crew member occupying a control seat from brake release to brake set. An electronic flight bag is only an EFB while accessing required flight material, any other use turns the EFB into a PED. FAR 121.542: (d) During all flight time as defined in 14 CFR 1.1, no flight crewmember may use, nor may any pilot in command permit the use of, a personal wireless communications device (as defined in 49 U.S.C. 44732(d)) or laptop computer while at a flight crewmember duty station unless the purpose is directly related to operation of the aircraft, or for emergency, safety-related, or employment-related communications, in accordance with air carrierprocedures approved by the Administrator. Worst written regulation contender (specifically this part: 'a personal wireless communications device (as defined in 49 U.S.C. 44732(d))" . You can use a full size video/SLR as long as it doesn't have WiFi or Bluetooth, or watch movies on a 40" monitor hooked up to a portable DVD player (again, just make sure no WiFi/Bluetooth) during the whole flight, but take a picture in cruise of the sunset with your cellphone in airplane mode, and you are in violation of 121.542. |
I think this kind of thing happens everyday now, not saying its right of course but I guess the job has become so repetitive and mind numbing that this is what people resort to
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe
(Post 10587980)
Habits are hard to die, especially in Argentina. I suggest you look into Enrico Pineyro's work
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Originally Posted by CaptainMongo
(Post 10587950)
For those subject to US regulations, the use of any personal electronic device (PED) is prohibited by a crew member occupying a control seat from brake release to brake set. An electronic flight bag is only an EFB while accessing required flight material, any other use turns the EFB into a PED. FAR 121.542: (d) During all flight time as defined in 14 CFR 1.1, no flight crewmember may use, nor may any pilot in command permit the use of, a personal wireless communications device (as defined in 49 U.S.C. 44732(d)) or laptop computer while at a flight crewmember duty station unless the purpose is directly related to operation of the aircraft, or for emergency, safety-related, or employment-related communications, in accordance with air carrierprocedures approved by the Administrator. Northwest Airlines flight 188, 21 October 2009 flew 150 miles beyond it's destination. The investigation had the crew admitting to using their laptops to check their schedules which would have placed them in breach of this part of the regs, Lack of information on the CVR meant investigators could not clearly identify any level activity on the flight deck which led to the suggestion that both crew were asleep until awoken by the Flight Attendant Chime asking when they were expected to land. Not relevant to this thread except in terms of what some crews may be doing from time to time (and getting away with). In the cruise is one thing but on short finals? I guess it was CAVOK but some unexpected windshear might have got their attention....or not! . |
Originally Posted by Livesinafield
(Post 10588115)
I think this kind of thing happens everyday now, not saying its right of course but I guess the job has become so repetitive and mind numbing that this is what people resort to
Repetitive and mind numbing until an airplane, it’s passengers, flight attendants and cockpit crew are ground up into little pieces. |
Just amateurs.
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Do it correctly.
Suction cup stuck to the glass in one's immediate front with the camera looking forward screwed to the bendy arm thingy which is secured by the cup. Fly and ignore the camera. The arraignment gives a good result and over the years I've built up an archive of TO/ App/ Ldg/ Taxi video. But don't try to fly by looking through the camera as things will then become a bit wobbly. Actually, things will become extremely very wobbly indeed. (You've been warned.) |
#17 (permalink) https://www.pprune.org/images/mobile/misc/unknown.gifLivesinafield , 6th Oct 2019 14:58 I think this kind of thing happens everyday now, not saying its right of course but I guess the job has become so repetitive and mind numbing that this is what people resort to If you have a real passion for flying, it will always be a fascinating profession. Not ever mind numbing. Having said that, it has changed from from the good old days. |
Originally Posted by ratpackgreenslug
(Post 10590649)
Suction cup stuck to the glass in one's immediate front with the camera looking forward screwed to the bendy arm thingy which is secured by the cup. Fly and ignore the camera. The arraignment gives a good result and over the years I've built up an archive of TO/ App/ Ldg/ Taxi video. But don't try to fly by looking through the camera as things will then become a bit wobbly. Actually, things will become extremely very wobbly indeed. (You've been warned.) |
Originally Posted by Blackfriar
(Post 10587894)
Watch right at the end. Capt in left hand seat pans right to film the fireworks and FO is also filming on his phone. Really, are they 10 to be that impressed by fireworks and so unprofessional? and there are people on here who say pilots are miles smarter than doctors because there are fewer pilots than doctors. It makes me very worried.
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Originally Posted by Jet Jockey A4
(Post 10588073)
So the EGPWS 1000 foot call goes off and 14 seconds later one of them calls "gear down" (what height above ground are they at by this time) and I can't hear a landing checklist being conducted
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And not one comment on the absolute stupidity of someone approving or allowing a Fireworks repeat Fireworks display just meters off the centreline of an ILS approach to an RPT Jet transport Airport. Jesus Wept !,, forget about the stupidity of the Pilots filming ....! |
And not one comment on the absolute stupidity....
Originally Posted by compressor stall
(Post 10587756)
Not great but the proximity to those things that go bang was probably the greater threat.
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Originally Posted by Raffles S.A.
(Post 10591545)
Doctors are smarter because they can bury their mistakes, which are numerous.
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And not one comment on the absolute stupidity of someone approving or allowing a Fireworks repeat Fireworks display just meters off the centreline of an ILS approach to an RPT Jet transport Airport. Jesus Wept !,, forget about the stupidity of the Pilots filming ....! Quote |
Originally Posted by Andrewgr2
(Post 10592026)
Are there any regulations that restrict firework displays near airports? in essence, if one would apply for a fireworks permit next to an active runway short finals, it would most probably be denied by authorities. As stated, I have no knowledge how it works in any other country, but I would imagine it works somewhat the same way in most countries. |
It‘s fireworks, not Flak.
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Originally Posted by Slow and curious
(Post 10592192)
It‘s fireworks, not Flak.
edit: uk caa guidelines: publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalapplication.aspx?appid=11&mode=detail&id=1108 quote: 4 Additional Guidelines for Firework Displays 4.1 Aerial fireworks displays should be limited to a height of 1,500 ft above ground level. Any firework conforming to BS7114/BS EN 14035-36 will not exceed this height. 4.2 Displays within a ten nautical mile radius of an active aerodrome or within an Aerodrome Traffic Zone (ATZ)1 may require notification and co-ordination action and must be notified by the EO to the CAA for consideration. |
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