Condor diversion to SNN in February 2019
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Originally Posted by chucko
(Post 10568318)
From Wikipedia: The plot of the 1964 film Fate Is the Hunter had no relation to the book. Gann had written some early drafts of the script, but was so unhappy with the final result that he asked to have his name removed from it. In his autobiography, A Hostage to Fortune, Gann wrote, "They obliged and as a result I deprived myself of the TV residuals, a medium in which the film played interminably." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_Is_the_Hunter |
I await the new Discovery Channel series: The Deadliest Drink.
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Something else to ban then ... |
Originally Posted by Jetstream67
(Post 10568374)
Something else to ban then ... |
Originally Posted by chucko
(Post 10568318)
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Originally Posted by foxcharliep2
(Post 10568407)
Would be interesting to read but the link does not work ... or was it a TC A-330 operating for Condor with cockpit smoke due to coffee spill ?
AAIB Report https://assets.publishing.service.go...TCCF_09-19.pdf |
What are the tolerances of cockpits to fluid spills ?
As nonprofessional, can someone explain to me how tolerant are the controls to liquid spills ? What happens after a liquid spill,even say, there were no immediate effects ? Are the boxes sent for inspection in case seepage has occurred, making unit prone to failure in future ?
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What a shame that there had not been multiple ASRs filed prior to this incident that could have prevented it happening?
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Here is the 1964 movie on YouTube:
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Originally Posted by RomeoTangoFoxtrotMike
(Post 10568418)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49672351
AAIB Report https://assets.publishing.service.go...TCCF_09-19.pdf |
Speaking as a boat owner and ex. owner of an open-cockpit aircraft I am astonished that instruments are not even splashproof given that drinks are always going to be a feature of the environment.
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I spent a lot of my life teaching fellow pilots and cabin crew to ALWAYS pass drinks to the outside of the pilots and to put them into the cup holders provided in just about every aircraft that I flew. NEVER, EVER pass a drink through the middle, IE: over the centre console because a spillage could have disastrous consequences.
So far, so good. One day we were passing through some west African airfields on our way south. After take-off, up came a welcome coffee which was duly delivered in exactly this way. Sadly, it went straight through the cup holder and hit the flight deck floor because it was a little bit smaller than the standard fitted cup holder. Luckily, neither I nor the avionics bay downstairs were affected. Liquid and wiggly amps make poor companions. |
Wasn't there - at one point - a suggestion that the West Air Sweden CRJ 200 (SE - DUX) crash initiating event might have been a drink spill based on the exclamation on the CVR by the PF followed almost instantaneously by erroneous outputs from the IRU? Was that theory ever disproven?
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Coffee spill
https://www.theguardian.com/business...diversion-aaib
in the good old days one of our captains would sit in first class and have his meal with wine and coffee well away from the VHF 1 selector panels. |
What amazes me in this whole story is that a GERMAN airline doesn't have GERMAN cups that fit into GERMAN cupholders. What's next? An overheating Mercedes? Where is this world going!
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The SECOND biggest mystery, however, is why the FO's radio controls burnt. Could it be that a circuit breaker didn't disconnect after the captain's radio was flooded and the resulting short overloaded the fellow unit?
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Originally Posted by UltraFan
(Post 10568565)
What amazes me in this whole story is that a GERMAN airline doesn't have GERMAN cups that fit into GERMAN cupholders. What's next? An overheating Mercedes? Where is this world going!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49672351 https://assets.publishing.service.go...TCCF_09-19.pdf |
Originally Posted by richardthethird
(Post 10568425)
What a shame that there had not been multiple ASRs filed prior to this incident that could have prevented it happening?
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Last time I checked, ATCOs in Australia were required to use a standard type of sealed mug for drinks, minimizing the risk of spills. Maybe something similar could be done for aircrew.
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Happened to an Air NZ 737 enroute WLG - AKL back in the day.
FO trips coming back into the cockpit with two takeaway coffees - splashed all over the centre console. They thought they'd wiped it all up. But the jet had to divert to Palmy North that evening when the centre console started smoking. When they took the centre panel apart it was full of congealed coffee and stains from many spills. I loved the headline the next day. Coffee Grounds. |
Reminds me of the movie plot for "Fate is the hunter". I thought they would make panels splash-proof after that movie came out.They had fifty years to figure out how to do it after all.
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Dan spill.
Similar incident in Danair many moons ago. Ex-military F/O trainee on the B737 spilt his coffee on the radio selector box, and diverted into Brussels. When the highly embarrassed copilot returned to LGW OPS he found that all the naughty ops guys had filled dozens of plastic coffee cups and spread them all over the room. As he entered , they all shouted "watch out" in unison. Within a couple of days there was a Tommee Tippee cup in ops with "737 crews for the use of" inscribed. Those were the days.
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https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....33e5de017.jpeg I give it 2 weeks before some middle management muppet requires “spill proof” coffee cups on the flight deck! |
Seeing the youth of some of our new FOs, that is highly appropriate! |
Is that one of the RAF/Airtanker Voyagers? |
Originally Posted by a5in_the_sim
(Post 10568859)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....33e5de017.jpeg I give it 2 weeks before some middle management muppet requires “spill proof” coffee cups on the flight deck! |
Originally Posted by redED
(Post 10568944)
They already do at a certain UK low fares airline. To be fair we should get them at ours; we’re all so knackered we can barely find our mouths by the end of summer. |
Originally Posted by segajet
(Post 10568856)
Similar incident in Danair many moons ago. Ex-military F/O trainee on the B737 spilt his coffee on the radio selector box, and diverted into Brussels. When the highly embarrassed copilot returned to LGW OPS he found that all the naughty ops guys had filled dozens of plastic coffee cups and spread them all over the room. As he entered , they all shouted "watch out" in unison. Within a couple of days there was a Tommee Tippee cup in ops with "737 crews for the use of" inscribed. Those were the days.
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Good airmanship is to always pass the coffee cup around the back of the operating seats!! |
Originally Posted by UltraFan
(Post 10568565)
What amazes me in this whole story is that a GERMAN airline doesn't have GERMAN cups that fit into GERMAN cupholders. What's next?
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Originally Posted by Slow and curious
(Post 10570223)
IRISH COFFEE? |
I will always remember a coffee spill into the "well" at the back of the 737-200 centre pedestal. It was a VHHH to ZGGG sector on only my second trip after getting my command. On descent I had blindly reached for the PA handset just as the FA was unknowingly passing me a coffee which was not ordered or expected on a 20 minute flight. Anyway the cup's contents went down between the 3 fire handles and disappeared followed by the APU fire warning almost immediately and then ENG 1 and eventually ENG 2 were on all at once. Strangely the QRH didn't cover this event. Fortunately we landed a few minutes later with the warnings now cycling on and off every 30 seconds or so.
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