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WHBM 9th Sep 2019 11:26

Here at London City we have BA, as in Cityflyer (not that many pax would know) with little of the above. The drinks and snacks are free on board. The crew are always great. And above all there is NO STRIKE today and they are carrying on just as normal. Doubtless with 100% loads on many routes. And yet the BA PR team seem to have been quite unable to push this fact out to the media. There must be a good few who think their LCY flights are not operating.

FRying 9th Sep 2019 11:38

Way to go, BA guys and gals !! I'm all with you on this one.

RexBanner 9th Sep 2019 11:43


Originally Posted by Bueno Hombre (Post 10565529)
We can imagine that the huge increase in the profitability of British Airways is almost entirely due to the fall in the value of the pound.

You keep peddling this but seeing as most expenses in aviation are denominated in USD (fuel, maintenance parts etc) and the GBP:USD exchange rate is at historic lows then how can this possibly be true?

pittsspecialguy 9th Sep 2019 12:40

BCAL
 
Remember your history...BA was financially featherbedded by Thatcher pre-privatisation in order to kill British Caledonian. BA was never really a great carrier. BCAL was. A truly great airline, first 402 certificate in history, invented business class, devoted employees, fantastic, dedicated cabin crew and pilots.

Herod 9th Sep 2019 16:09

"I wish they all could be Caledonian Girls". Super cabin crew (at least on shorthaul; can't speak for longhaul). When BA had the "Shuttle" service Aberdeen to Heathrow, Caledonian ran the "Subtle" service to Gatwick. Far, far better.

Fursty Ferret 9th Sep 2019 16:29


. Now, while we can all say with total truth that what BA has is a bunch of whingeing, overpaid Nigels cynically using their muscle to screw BA for more than they are worth
Just a bunch but I'm guessing you didn't get the job at BA when you applied...

Icerefugee 9th Sep 2019 18:32

I'm not clever enough to know whether the pilots are either whinging or overpaid. What I am convinced about is that the fallout from this dispute has been disproportionately heightened by the incredible stupidity surrounding communication with passengers and the media. Whatever you think of the pilots' position, Balpa gave plenty warning. Management, once again, messed up. Will Mr Cruz never pick up on the point that cheap does not always mean good.

oscarisapc 10th Sep 2019 10:03

Extreme cutbacks are suffocating BA
 
The poor communications with pax (not for the first time) and the totally inadequate data resilience after the outage last year rather supports the pilots' contention that BA has lost the plot by curtting back infrastructure costs to such an extreme that the business is suffering. There is always a time lag between cutting costs to the bone (immediate benefit to the bottom line) and declining activity and reputation (disaster for the bottom line) which allows directors to take handsome bonuses in the interim. Sorry to say that BA seems to be on that curve now. Nice if someone could correct me.

red9 10th Sep 2019 17:42


Originally Posted by Old King Coal (Post 10566684)
Wrt removal of 'travel perks' from striking flightcrew... two can play at that game.

Given that a Captain's word is final, i.e. as to who's allowed to travel, a Captain is perfectly within their rights to deny travel to any passenger.
The simple phrase of "I do not consider that your presence onboard is conducive to good order and accordingly you must leave the aeroplane" would be enough to have a passenger removed and no further reason or explanation is required of the Captain. The Captain's word is always the final arbiter.

So, BA Management types (whom have kept their 'travel perks') might find that those perks are not worth a jot when they're not allowed onboard because the BA Captain says "No" to their presence, and maybe also a similar implementation for Management staff whom are travelling on duty might help to focus some BA Management minds?

Sadly , therein lies one of the reasons for the strike. It is not really about the 11.5% at all. That Captains word is not final in BA. There would follow a person to person interview with a manager - perhaps just a telephone interview if you are lucky - inorder for them to assess your judgement call and take what they feel is appropriate action. Bullies

ciderman 10th Sep 2019 17:46


Originally Posted by RexBanner (Post 10565564)


You keep peddling this but seeing as most expenses in aviation are denominated in USD (fuel, maintenance parts etc) and the GBP:USD exchange rate is at historic lows then how can this possibly be true?

BA generates dollars and other currencies by selling tickets to London in other countries. Converted to pounds to pay salaries they buy more. Simplistic but you get the drift.

Phantom4 10th Sep 2019 17:54

It only requires a continuous 4 or 5 days strike and no simulator checks being completed and there is a tipping point when there are not enough crews in check but I’m sure management are aware of this as will BALPA be

Mike Oxbig 11th Sep 2019 08:07

An earlier poster stated ...”its a damned sight better than Vueling/Air Malta/Ryanair/Eurowings/Wizz etc.”. I am afraid that really says it all - you are comparing BA (known as Budget Airlines in my circle), with the exception of Air Malta perhaps, with low cost carriers. We should be comparing BA with Lufthansa, whom I fly with regularly, KLM & Air France. Having flown recently on Turkish in economy, I was stunned to receive a menu with 2 choices of hot meal on the flight from Instanbul to Munich.

Timmy Tomkins 11th Sep 2019 09:06


Originally Posted by Icerefugee (Post 10565878)
I'm not clever enough to know whether the pilots are either whinging or overpaid. What I am convinced about is that the fallout from this dispute has been disproportionately heightened by the incredible stupidity surrounding communication with passengers and the media. Whatever you think of the pilots' position, Balpa gave plenty warning. Management, once again, messed up. Will Mr Cruz never pick up on the point that cheap does not always mean good.

Short answer NO. It was he who cut and expanded Vueling at the same time and presided over total chaos as the system fell over and the result was that he got BA to play with. This is standard MO in BA where managers are paid bonuses for coming in under budget with no penalty when the result of cuts is collapse. They are all in thrall to Mr O'Leary and of course having to compete with him. They have learned that everyone hates Ryanair, pax, staff et al but the profits keep rolling in.

Sure BA jocks earn plenty but in truth when you take responsibiity and skill levels required that should be the norm, not the exception.

old,not bold 11th Sep 2019 09:36


Originally Posted by Fursty Ferret (Post 10565784)
Just a bunch but I'm guessing you didn't get the job at BA when you applied...

Ah, but I did. OK, it was then BOAC, and the job was with an Associate Company. But we still had to undergo the full recruitment process with BOAC.

Magplug 11th Sep 2019 12:51

Apparently the spin given by the BA management easily persuades some simpletons here. The average salary of a BA pilot is £160k p/a! Really!!! Therefore anyone that gets paid more than me is an overpaid sponger.....

The Atlantic Barons on the old contract big bucks are either gone or close to retirement. The company comprises many new pilots who have either trained with BA and have the $$$$ obscene debt from the experience or the direct entry guys who have moved on from Easy or Ryanair. The ab-initios earn around £26k before deductions and the direct entry guys £45-50 with all new hires going on the new contract.

They want a pay rise linked to RPI, not one that might just keep pace with inflation. By the looks of it BA want this strike more than the pilots. Top of BA's wish-list is BALPA out of the picture. Then BA can get of with slashing costs and squeezing employees without union interference. It's all about profit, profit and more profit.

PAXboy 11th Sep 2019 13:36

Yes, it is Magplug but as is always the case - everyone loses. The mgmt have failed in the last 20 years (as countless others have done) to manage their business for the true long term. Flight and Cabin crew are scrunched by it all and nothing helpful will come of this. Strikes rarely bring good things - especially when the public does not see the employee's problem.

We can blame who we like but it is another nail in the coffin.

Shamrogue 11th Sep 2019 13:52

This is just boring.

It is a race to the bottom. An eternal one. You do it faster, cheaper, better. Tomorrow a compeditor will do it slightly more effectively. Management will work out a new method to do it faster, cheaper, better! Why? Well consumers want cheaper, faster.....and aspire to better! And it is a vicious circle. Because we've all less pay, we need cheaper, better, faster! Management at BA most likely wish they had the "Worlds fave airline". This won't change anytime soon - so it will be a continuous erosion of service standards until we are all standing up in the cabin, eating from paper boxes ........in an argument it is better for the environment etc. But it will be dressed up as Club class or whatever..........

DaveReidUK 11th Sep 2019 15:44


Originally Posted by Shamrogue (Post 10567389)
Management will work out a new method to do it faster, cheaper, better!

As the old saying goes, pick any two.


Icanseeclearly 11th Sep 2019 16:22


Geriaviator 11th Sep 2019 17:27

Sad to see the decline of what was once a world leader. Surprised that nobody seems to recall that BA owns half the slots at Heathrow simply because they were once reserved for domestic flights -- essential to Scottish business, even more to both parts of Ireland where the train is not an option. It's a licence to print money for its foreign owners, just like most of our airports in fact. To my mind BA never got over the competition from British Midland and BCal introduced by Mrs Thatcher; as an occasional traveller I would no more consider BA than Ryanair. Good luck to the staff seeking their share of the profits.


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