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zukini 13th Aug 2019 17:05

China Eastern gets a nasty looking hole in a wing
 
China Eastern 777 MU588 yesterday had to return to JFK with a torn looking wing. Story on simply flying.

India Four Two 13th Aug 2019 17:35

Part of the inboard left spoiler and adjacent skin missing:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....368448130f.jpg


https://samchui.com/2019/08/13/china...iler-fell-off/

Auxtank 13th Aug 2019 17:37

Looks like a spoiler ram has got fed up and jumped ship taking a chunk of skin with it.

Terry McCassey 13th Aug 2019 18:57

The inboard spoiler PCU sits mid span of the spoiler panel so likely not.

Terry McCassey 13th Aug 2019 19:13

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b4b26d4e71.png
. . . Or maybe a bit of bother around the inner hinge area.

Auxtank 13th Aug 2019 20:01


Originally Posted by Terry McCassey (Post 10544232)
. . . Or maybe a bit of bother around the inner hinge area.

Looks like it doesn't it? So maybe a hinge has gone dirty and some bozo was napping on the C Check ?
Or maybe ripple effect as the PCU put the torque down the wing.
Certainly an interesting failure. Now these birds are getting on a bit.

Oh well, time will tell.

DaveReidUK 13th Aug 2019 22:22

Five-year-old airframe.

tdracer 13th Aug 2019 23:07

Does rather look like a hinge seized (for whatever reason - age, lack of lube, defective hinge, etc.) - the force of the actuator was more than the surrounding structure could deal and the structure failed before the hinge.

Dave Therhino 15th Aug 2019 05:20

The report says they had to turn back shortly after takeoff. Assuming they took off with no damage, at what point would an inboard spoiler have been used in takeoff and climb? Aren't those spoilers ground only (not sure, but I believe that's correct)? If that's correct, my guess is the damage was associated with flap retraction, not spoiler movement.

pattern_is_full 15th Aug 2019 05:38

Could be.

But could also be a small crack or tear that occured during the previous landing, that didn't become visibly large until the increasing slipstream forces began ripping off parts on the next take-off.

There can be quite a time gap between cause and effect in aviation (cf: Air Moorea 1121).

goeasy 15th Aug 2019 06:13


Originally Posted by Dave Therhino (Post 10545510)
The report says they had to turn back shortly after takeoff. Assuming they took off with no damage, at what point would an inboard spoiler have been used in takeoff and climb? Aren't those spoilers ground only (not sure, but I believe that's correct)? If that's correct, my guess is the damage was associated with flap retraction, not spoiler movement.

on most aircraft Some spoilers are also used with aileron for control during turns. Not sure if this applies here.

Dave Therhino 16th Aug 2019 03:50

That's definitely the case on the 777, I just don't think the very large inboard spoilers are used for roll control. Don't know for certain, though.

WingNut60 16th Aug 2019 05:15


Originally Posted by Dave Therhino (Post 10546404)
That's definitely the case on the 777, I just don't think the very large inboard spoilers are used for roll control. Don't know for certain, though.

Gust alleviation?

Dave Therhino 18th Aug 2019 00:19

Possible I suppose, but the few wing load relief systems I actually know anything about move outboard surfaces to relieve wing bending loads. I don't know any details about the 777 load relief system, though.


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