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Super VC-10 15th Jul 2019 14:26

Duchess of Cornwall's helicopter involved in two airproxes in one day
 
It's being reported that a helicopter carrying the Duchess of Cornwall was involved in two airprox incidents in one flight last year. The helicopted was taking her frrom Sandringham to a location in Wiltshire.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/15/camillas-helicopter-involved-two-near-misses-hour-10319746/

https://www.airproxboard.org.uk/uplo...%202018185.pdf

Raffles S.A. 15th Jul 2019 14:33

The daily Mail reckons they had to "swerve" to avoid collisions :rolleyes: :8 :ugh:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244703/Camillas-helicopter-swerve-avoid-collisions-TWICE-one-hour-flew-home.html

SamYeager 15th Jul 2019 15:19

I believe the second airprox report mentioned in the Metro article is the one below:

https://www.airproxboard.org.uk/uplo...%202018190.pdf

ATC Watcher 15th Jul 2019 16:14

When you want to go to a flower show in an helicopter and then go VFR where there are gliders around you must fly slow, and look outside.. and I would think passing through a Parachute dropping area is not a very good idea either.
I am surprised why those VIPs ( or those responsible for their arrangements ) do not insist on flying IFR .

Ibis 15th Jul 2019 21:05

or read NOTAMS

crewmeal 16th Jul 2019 05:10

Better still why not use a car like most of us!

astir 8 16th Jul 2019 05:49

No mention of the existence of FLARM and the fact that most cross country gliders can be tracked on a phone, Ipad or laptop.

ShyTorque 16th Jul 2019 06:24


Originally Posted by crewmeal (Post 10519620)
Better still why not use a car like most of us!

A very strange statement. If everyone did that we would all be out of a job.

ShyTorque 16th Jul 2019 06:34


Originally Posted by ATC Watcher (Post 10519241)
When you want to go to a flower show in an helicopter and then go VFR where there are gliders around you must fly slow, and look outside.. and I would think passing through a Parachute dropping area is not a very good idea either.
I am surprised why those VIPs ( or those responsible for their arrangements ) do not insist on flying IFR .

There are gliders everywhere at this time of year and believe me, these pilots are very highly experienced and look out as well as anyone else does. The IAS limit in Class G is 250kts and helicopters fly well below that speed. Neither AIRPROX took place inside a notified parachuting dropping area.

Why do you think that flying IFR in Class G would make any difference?

Maninthebar 16th Jul 2019 07:05


Originally Posted by ATC Watcher (Post 10519241)
When you want to go to a flower show in an helicopter and then go VFR where there are gliders around you must fly slow, and look outside.. and I would think passing through a Parachute dropping area is not a very good idea either.
I am surprised why those VIPs ( or those responsible for their arrangements ) do not insist on flying IFR .

I do hope the aircrew were solely responsible for that choice and not the exalted pax (or their minders)

LookingForAJob 16th Jul 2019 08:25


Why do you think that flying IFR in Class G would make any difference?
Ahhh, perhaps there was an assumption that flying IFR would be done inside controlled airspace which would facilitate a known traffic environment. Remember that there are a number of things in the UK which differ from the way that they're done elsewhere.

ATC Watcher 16th Jul 2019 08:47


Originally Posted by Maninthebar (Post 10519684)
I do hope the aircrew were solely responsible for that choice and not the exalted pax (or their minders)

I hope as well but you never know with VIPs and seen the route requested .

Why do you think that flying IFR in Class G would make any difference?
Why would you go into Class G when IFR? especially at that speed. if IFR = stay in controlled airspace. but that said LookingForAJob had probable the correct answer :

Remember that there are a number of things in the UK which differ from the way that they're done elsewhere.
:E

Fitter2 16th Jul 2019 08:52


There are gliders everywhere at this time of year and believe me, these pilots are very highly experienced and look out as well as anyone else does.
With all due respect to power pilots, I would say rather better lookout. Firstly, glider pilots all-round view is substantially better, secondly they receive a lot of soaring information from lookout .

No glider pilot I know would regard 1 mile separation as any kind of conflict, or dream of reporting it as an AIRPROX.

(The C152 who flew straight through my thermal near Newbury last year without any deviation from straight and level, and would have collided if I hadn't taken avoiding action is another matter. I took his reg and called his Flying School. Never heard anything else - i really should have filed that one through the system).

ShyTorque 16th Jul 2019 20:00


Why would you go into Class G when IFR? especially at that speed. if IFR = stay in controlled airspace.
Because in UK it's quite normal, legal and sometimes necessary to fly IFR in Class G airspace.
In any case, flight under IFR in controlled airspace doesn't absolve a pilot from looking out and taking avoiding action if necessary.


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