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King Air down in Oahu
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Latest news here:
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/0...h-north-shore/ There's confusion about whether the crash happened just after take off or on return to Dillingham airfield. |
Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 10500313)
Only that the NYT says it was a King Air
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Originally Posted by Hokulea
(Post 10500337)
Latest news here:
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/0...h-north-shore/ There's confusion about whether the crash happened just after take off or on return to Dillingham airfield. |
It was a King Air A90 N256TA. Latest reports say 11 people onboard, no survivors.
Authorities increase death toll in 'tragic’ skydiving plane crash to 11 By HNN Staff | June 21, 2019 at 6:57 PM HST - Updated June 22 at 9:48 AM HONOLULU, Hawaii (HawaiiNewsNow) - A twin-engine skydiving plane crashed on Oahu’s North Shore shortly after taking off Friday for a “sunset tandem” flight, all 11 people believed to have been on board.Nine people were killed when a skydiving aircraft crashed on Oahu's North Shore on Friday. (Image: Jordan Li) The aircraft ― a Beechcraft 65 King Air operated by the Oahu Parachute Center ― crashed about 6:30 p.m. in an area near the western edge of the Dillingham Airfield. In the hours after the crash, state officials said nine people ― three customers and six employees ― had died. But Saturday morning, an FAA spokesperson told Hawaii News Now that their investigation showed 11 people had been on board the aircraft at the time of the accident.And incident logs released by the Honolulu Police Department indicated 11 people had perished in the crash. When firefighters arrived at the airfield, they found the wreckage of the craft fully engulfed in flames. Photos from the area showed smoke from the fire could be seen from miles away. “We saw big smoke. We saw big fire, firemen trying to put it out. Crazy,” said witness Justin Kepa. About an hour after the crash, a somber Fire Chief Manuel Neves told reporters that there were “no survivors.”He said that family members of those on board the aircraft were on the ground when the crash happened and may have seen the plane go down. “It is very difficult. In my 40 years as a firefighter here in Hawaii, this is the most tragic aircraft incident we’ve had," Neves said. “We had some helicopters with the military, but this is a civilian plane with that many people on board.” State Transportation Department officials said the FAA and NTSB will be investigating the crash.“We are mourning this terrible tragedy," DOT Director Jade Butay told reporters Friday night. "During this difficult time, we want to express our deepest condolences and sympathies to the families of the flight crew and passengers.” Hawaii News Now spoke to a skydiver who’s been a volunteer instructor, and who raced to the scene after hearing about the crash. He said the skydiving community is in mourning. On board the craft, he said, were three students, five skydivers and the pilot.On Twitter on Friday night, Mayor Kirk Caldwell said he was following developments on the crash. “At this time, our thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of the victims,” he wrote. Neves said firefighters worked Friday night to secure the debris field ― a relatively small area that covered about 50 feet by 50 feet. The crash was near the airfield’s fence line. The Dillingham Airfield will be closed indefinitely in the wake of the crash, the state said. Farrington Highway in the area has since reopened after being blocked off for several hours. |
Originally Posted by Airbubba
(Post 10500606)
It was a King Air A90 N256TA. Latest reports say 11 people onboard, no survivors.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cfdba3a5cc.jpg |
An earlier incident with this aircraft had the right horizontal stabilizer and elevator come off during a stall/spin recovery with 14 jumpers onboard.
NTSB Identification: WPR16LA150
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Saturday, July 23, 2016 in Byron, CA Probable Cause Approval Date: 03/05/2018 Aircraft: BEECH 65 A90, registration: N256TA Injuries: 15 Uninjured. The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
On July 23, 2016, about 1900 Pacific daylight time, a Beech 65-A90, N256TA, sustained substantial damage following a loss of control while climbing out near the Byron Airport (C83) Byron, California. The commercial pilot and the 14 passengers were not injured. The airplane was registered to N80896 LLC, and operated by Bay Area Skydiving under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and no flight plan was filed for the sky-diving flight. The local flight departed C83 about 1851. According to the pilot, as the airplane neared the planned jump area and altitude, about 12,500 ft, mean sea level, he initiated a left turn to line up for the drop zone. He stated the airplane's airspeed was a little slow and then "suddenly the airplane abruptly stalled, rolled off to the left, and began rotating nose-down." He stated that the airplane "did a couple of downward barrel rolls." One of the jumpers, seated in the co-pilots seat, heard a "loud bang" during the recovery sequence and stated that "the pilot did not retard the throttles during the recovery, causing the airplane to develop too much speed." The jumper further stated that during the recovery he felt the g-force on his stomach. The pilot said that he temporarily recovered the airplane to a wings level attitude for a few seconds and observed that the airplane was about 90° off the planned heading, and slow in airspeed. Subsequently, the pilot stated there was a "shock" to the controls and "simultaneous the airplane suddenly broke hard to the left," stalled a second time, and began to rotate downward. The pilot told the sky-divers to jump out of the airplane. The parachutists complied, and all of them successfully exited the airplane during this second spin event. The pilot then initiated the spin recovery procedures to no apparent effect through about 9 rotations, and stated that the roll rate was a lot more rapid than the first spin event. He then pulled both propeller controls levers to the feather position and was able to get out the spin. He recovered the airplane to a wings and pitch level attitude, but shortly thereafter, the airplane "broke left" and stalled for a third time. The pilot recovered the airplane again by lowering the pitch attitude and increasing the airspeed. The pilot turned back towards the airport and since the airplane was handling abnormally, he adjusted the elevator trim to its full nose up position to help him maintain straight and level flight. He stated that the full nose up trim setting was used on the approach. In addition, the pilot flew the approach 15 knots faster than required, in order to compensate for the control issue of a marked decrease in elevator performance. The pilot described the landing as being nose low relative to a normal landing. After landing at C83, a witness observed that the airplane's right horizontal stabilizer, with the attached elevator, was missing. The separated airplane parts were subsequently located in a field a few miles south of the airport. The pilot reported that there were no abnormalities with the airplane on the previous flights that day, or during his pre-flight inspection for the accident flight. He stated that the weather was clear and that there was a light chop. Further, he reported no engine issues during the flight. Postaccident examination of the airplane revealed that the wing's top and bottom skins were unremarkable. The engine mounts, and the left horizontal stabilizer attachment points were examined for overstress, but none was observed. No signs of flutter were observed on the left horizontal stabilizer. The right horizontal stabilizer, with the elevator attached, that had separated from the airplane, was examined. The right elevator and elevator trim tab remained attached to their respective attachment points. Fractures were observed on the main and trailing edge horizontal spars on the right horizontal stabilizer. There was some wrinkling on the skin surface. The attachment bracket that connected the right horizontal stabilizer to the airplane, and to the other horizontal stabilizer, exhibited fracture surfaces on the right side where the right horizontal stabilizer attached. Portions of the right horizontal stabilizer, elevator, and the attachment bracket were sent to the National Transportation Safety Board Materials Laboratory for further examination. Magnified optical examination of the fractures surfaces revealed features consistent with overstress separations. No indication of fatigue or corrosion was observed. Deformation and fracture patterns in the right horizontal stabilizer spars were indicative of the stabilizer tip bending up and the lower spar also had upward tearing of the webs. The airplane's flight manual spin recovery states: "immediately move the control column full forward, apply full rudder opposite to the direction of the spin, and reduce power on both engines to idle. These three actions should be done as near simultaneously as possible, then continue to hold this control position until rotation stops and then neutralize all controls and execute a smooth pullout. Ailerons should be neutral during recovery." The airplane's weight and balance was calculated for the accident flight. The center of gravity (CG) was estimated to be about 6-7 units aft of the limit. Due the center of gravity (cg) being aft of the limit, the maximum allowable gross weight was unable to be determined at the time of the accident. According to the FAA Pilot Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge states, "as the CG moves aft, a less stable condition occurs, which decreases the ability of the aircraft to right itself after maneuvering or turbulence." |
Originally Posted by bill fly
(Post 10500603)
Well if landing, some jumpers were still on board... |
Originally Posted by Hokulea
(Post 10500869)
The confusion seems to be if the crash occurred immediately after take-off or if it happened when the aircraft was trying to return to the airfield after a problem occurred. Some witnesses report the latter, but obviously nothing has been confirmed yet. That's all I meant about there being confusion.
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What concerns me is is the impact area of 50x50 feet according to the fire crew which indicates a pretty much vertical impact.
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One witness said the plane "nose-dived". That seems to be consistent with a small impact area.
"Stevene Tickemyer was in the area and saw the plane nose dive just before the crash. He ran toward the flames, hoping against hope there were survivors." https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/0...h-north-shore/ |
Originally Posted by Hokulea
(Post 10500997)
One witness said the plane "nose-dived". That seems to be consistent with a small impact area.
"Stevene Tickemyer was in the area and saw the plane nose dive just before the crash. He ran toward the flames, hoping against hope there were survivors." https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/0...h-north-shore/ Cheers, Grog |
I heard third-hand that it was on takeoff, looked much like a VMC roll.
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One brief description:
Steven Tickemyer said he saw the plane take flight, get 75 to 100ft and turn away from the mountain range nearby. He said the plane then started to nosedive and flip belly forward so that it was upside down. The aircraft then flipped again and hit the ground nose first. There was an explosion when it hit the ground.This all transpired in about 20 to 30 seconds, said Tickemyer, who watched from a beach across the street where he was attending a friend’s small wedding ceremony. |
Over gross wt, aft CG would be my guess |
Originally Posted by PastTense
(Post 10501157)
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the pilot then initiated the spin recovery procedures to no apparent effect through about 9 rotations, and stated that the roll rate was a lot more rapid than the first spin event. He then pulled both propeller controls levers to the feather position and was able to get out the spin. |
Sunday's onsite NTSB briefing:
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Not much new in the Monday NTSB media briefing:
Many of us have stayed at the Ala Moana Hotel over the years, looks like the carpet is the same as three decades ago. NTSB Board Member Jennifer Homendy has repeatedly referenced this 2008 NTSB study of the safety of parachute jump operations: https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/safety-s...ts/SIR0801.pdf |
Every jump plane I ever flew had more attention given to the illicit hotwired stereo system than to maintenance...
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