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Bend alot 14th Apr 2019 02:12


Originally Posted by Matt48 (Post 10447009)
I would happily fly on one, so long as it wasn't a third world airline, which I avoid anyway.

Ethiopian Airlines had a pretty good safety record, a very good one if you remove the hijackings.

A quick look it seems American Airlines has more fatalities than Ethiopian.

As far as the public go other than the 74 - 73,75,76 will not mean much to the pax - but that "MAX" will need to go. It is far too easy to remember that word.

As for Boeing SHAME on you, for the way you tried (and failed) in implementing MCAS and trying to "hide" it's impact/s from crew. This from what I can see certainly requires extra and detailed training from the other 737 aircraft.

neila83 14th Apr 2019 02:55


Originally Posted by Matt48 (Post 10447009)
I would happily fly on one, so long as it wasn't a third world airline, which I avoid anyway.

All I can say is you're missing out on a lot. Ethiopian airlines have carried me to some quite incredible places, that if you won't fly on a 'third world airline' you will never be able to enjoy. As mentioned their safety is extremely good and they are generally considered a well run airline with no reason to fear anymore than 'first world' airlines. Apologies if you weren't originally including Ethiopian in that statement.

The performance of their pilots in ditching the 767 in the ocean while fighting off highjackers also deserves Sully like praise that it never gets because not USA. Most would have survived too if we'd known then to tell people not to inflate their life jackets before leaving the aircraft. I would have absolutely no problem getting on one of their planes. But a MAX with any airline, yes I would have a problem.

tdracer 14th Apr 2019 05:21


A quick look it seems American Airlines has more fatalities than Ethiopian.
Not trying to diss Ethiopian, but that's not a particularly valid comparison, given AA is roughly 10 times the size.

Bend alot 14th Apr 2019 05:58

Yes but it also has 10 x the access to things such as parts, 10 x (quality and numbers)of the ancillary service providers, 10 times the pool of pilots and maintenance personal.

If you have AA and EA both needing 100 pilots, and both paying remuneration of $300,000 - where will the top 100 candidates go? if they receive offers of employment with both airlines.

So while certainly not an apples for apples comparison. Ethiopian has done very well in the challenging environment it operates in, and that environment is vastly different to the AA environment.

* Mostly my comment was in the use of 3rd World, in a way that suggests a quality status structure as opposed to what it actually means.

FlightDetent 14th Apr 2019 12:36


Originally Posted by neila83 (Post 10447028)
Ethiopian airlines.... [my delete].... As mentioned their safety is extremely good and they are generally considered a well run airline with no reason to fear anymore than 'first world' airlines.

neila83, those of us who read and tried to learn from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiop...nes_Flight_409 will find it hard to sign your statement.

Apart from what has actually happened (near identical to this tragedy), the then PR reaction from them was a stone cold denial. It is quite a few years ago, and surely things must have moved forward since then. As they would in any other enterprise.

At the same time, the sheer amount of flight hours the Capt. of the MAX aircraft amassed in his so sadly short career would be illegal workload in EU or US.

FlightDetent 14th Apr 2019 12:50

Bend alot I find your note about financial resources available and the size of the pilot talent pool relevant.

Bend alot 14th Apr 2019 13:47

I will add that only a "3 crew" seems to have been able to handle such a problem - room for thought! has several meanings!!


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