U.S grounds ALL 737 Max
per announcement from White House
link may follow NYT partly screwed up https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/b...a-737-max.html Trump Announces Ban of Boeing 737 Max Flights Video 0:59Canada Bans Boeing 737 Max
President Trump announced that the United States was grounding Boeing’s 737 Max aircraft, reversing an earlier decision by American regulators to keep the jets flying in the wake of a second deadly crash involving one of the jets in Ethiopia.The Federal Aviation Administration had for days resisted calls to ground the plane even as safety regulators in some 42 countries hadbanned flights by the jets. As recently as Tuesday, the agency said it had seen “no systemic performance issues” that would prompt it to halt flights of the jet.The order came hours after Canada’s transport minister said that newly available satellite-tracking data suggested similarities between the crash in Ethiopia and another accident last October. |
Trump says FAA & Boeing in agreement.
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What’s that Boeing marketing slogan again? they were interviewing passengers at an airport the other day, and they were actually using it. ”If it says Boeing, I ain’t going” |
Is it unusual for such announcements to originate from the White House? mjb |
The issue, in my mind, is the silence of Boeing and the FAA, in the face of serious public concerns. I'm not a huge Trump supporter, but something needed to be said and done.
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That's good to hear, glad to see erring on the side of caution
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Originally Posted by CONSO
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per announcement from White House
Trump Announces Ban of Boeing 737 Max Flights Still a few in the air ATM over US/Canada mostly... BOE123 WJA8978 ACA7056 ACA7054 https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....40c22601ab.jpg |
All crew-only recovery flights. BOE= Boeing test/undelivered flights. 8900-series flights are maintenance/special flights per ICAO. ACA used 7xxx numbers as ferry flights to maintenance bases. At KPSP, the ACA aircraft arrived as normal from CYVR; the turnaround was a ferry to CYYC instead of CYVR and departed only a few minutes later than the originally scheduled revenue flight.
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Originally Posted by Dee Vee
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Still a few in the air ATM over US/Canada mostly...
....... ACA7056 ACA7054 ........
Originally Posted by kenish
(Post 10417682)
.....ACA used previously scheduled flight numbers but flew to maintenance bases.
These ACA flights and others that were in the air with 4 digits such as above, were all ferry flights. Seen here. These are not regular flight numbers. |
Originally Posted by mickjoebill
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Is it unusual for such announcements to originate from the White House? mjb
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Why would FAA (which btw is led by a former military pilot, is it not?) resisted the groundings? In the past they were always on the side of caution. Two planes down in 5 months, the public is very concerned, yet they don't act. I don't want to speculate about the obvious suspicion of corruption but what could any other reasons be?
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Very good article on Leehams about this and what Boeing needs to do.
https://leehamnews.com/2019/03/13/co...-transparency/ |
Preemo , #11 :ok: A very telling article from Lehman. The non-standard presidential intervention also adds to the FAA’s problems, reputation, trust, worldly image. Additionally, some un substantiated reports state that the grounding lasts until Boeing has a modification, i.e not just a temporary grounding for safety until more information is available. If so this implies that irrespective of the outcome of the Ethiopian accident, there is now sufficient concern about Lion to warrant grounding. Trump has built his wall - around Boeing and FAA, and it is very much higher than normal. P.S. Also https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-s...n-the-737-max/ |
Any FAA official who grounded the B737 Max would have no chance of retiring from government service and joining Boeing. In the US, it's not unusual to have people moving from senior positions in the public sector into the private sector and vice versa within the same industry.
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Originally Posted by krismiler
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Any FAA official who grounded the B737 Max would have no chance of retiring from government service and joining Boeing. In the US, it's not unusual to have people moving from senior positions in the public sector into the private sector and vice versa within the same industry.
Now back with the revolving door at the FAA. Regulatory capture is very real and soft corruption pays big dividend. |
stick pusher
Hello, retired many years ago .Flew 737 200/300/400 and really liked the plane. This MCAS system looks similar to the ALSAS on the MD 11. Can anybody explain me why the stick pusher uses the stabiliser iso the elevator ?
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Originally Posted by Good memories
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Hello, retired many years ago .Flew 737 200/300/400 and really liked the plane. This MCAS system looks similar to the ALSAS on the MD 11. Can anybody explain me why the stick pusher uses the stabiliser iso the elevator ?
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Recent posts on the main thread, that happen to be from Seattle, give a very clear understanding of the design logic. But first read the Jakarta thread in full before starting again with last Sunday's crash thread. Put aside several hours for the task.
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Read outs Lionair flight & crash FDR
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keesje, is there any FDR printout indicating slat position during that flight. The interest is that slat triggering also depends on AoA and is in the same computational box as MCAS. Furthermore, the mechanism of slat signalling was specifically changed in the Max (electronic?) |
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