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Originally Posted by bafanguy
(Post 10553342)
Nope. Not at a major if the pilots have a union contract. The regionals are different animals even with a union contract.
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Originally Posted by hans brinker
(Post 10553533)
Actually, the regionals are exactly the same.
I don't expect to ever see ads for DECs at UAL, AA, DL, SWA, UPS, FedEX, JB, Spirit or Frontier. |
It is all about T&Cs. You will never see any legacy in Europe either looking for DECs. A high seniority is somehow the best indication, that the working conditions offered are fair, hence a low seniority the opposite.
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Originally Posted by MD83FO
(Post 10553265)
anyone foresee US Mayors hiring DECs ?
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
(Post 10553705)
The fact that regionals take DECs, for whatever reason, is what makes them different from the "majors" that MD83FO asked about. It may be that after application of seniority to available openings at a major, captain spots could go pretty far down the list but they won't be DECs in the strictest sense. That was my inartfully-made point.
I don't expect to ever see ads for DECs at UAL, AA, DL, SWA, UPS, FedEX, JB, Spirit or Frontier. |
Originally Posted by hans brinker
(Post 10554197)
Just wanted to emphasize how things are different here, not trying to argue with you. :)
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I’m currently flying an A320, this is what I’ve seen so far. The guys who have screwed things for us are P2F guys, fact is any employer would rather hire a guy with 500 hrs and current on type than the Non TR guy who might actually be a better pilot. |
Airline management don't want "better" pilots because better pilots will cost more, they will strive to set WAWCON at just enough to get pilots who meet the minimum standard. Ryanair has set the bar for all other airline execs in this area.
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"The guys that screwed things up for us were P2F guys"
That was obvious a few years ago, and what was going to happen. Nobody did a thing about it. Now a lot of pilots are facing the consequences. Now it's very hard to fix that. |
The company I'm working for now is full of p2f drivers, some of whom are quite proud to tell you in the flight deck that they paid for their 320 ratings plus 50k Euro for 500 hrs of 'line training'. The sad reality is in the EU, if you want to make it anywhere in this industry or fast-track your career onto a jet, you better have very deep pockets.
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U.S.-centric podcast about the "shortage". Mildly interesting if you've got 40 minutes to listen:
https://www.flight-economics.com/fin...ortage-podcast |
Originally Posted by bafanguy
(Post 10553705)
The fact that regionals take DECs, for whatever reason, is what makes them different from the "majors" that MD83FO asked about. It may be that after application of seniority to available openings at a major, captain spots could go pretty far down the list but they won't be DECs in the strictest sense. That was my inartfully-made point.
I don't expect to ever see ads for DECs at UAL, AA, DL, SWA, UPS, FedEX, JB, Spirit or Frontier. @Meester proach $150k for a Regional CA is absolutely achievable. Living in base as a Lineholder in your first or second year in the seat. |
Pilot Shortge
I’ve been flying commercially for about 53 years. (40 years airlines and 13 years of private jets after retirement.) l’ve been hearing about this BS for all those years. Even when airlines were furloughing us every couple of years! l do however think there is finally a shortage of “STUPID” pilots. Meaning pilots whom used to spend a couple of hundred thousands of Dollars to get a job that pays $20k/yr. Or someone like me who actually flew for $2,000/ mo. as a 727 Captain during furlough from a major airline, because I was too stupid and lazy to go find a real job. Or as the “honey bucket” dumper said “leave aviation?” 😎 Currently the major airlines are spreading this false rumor so they can raise the retirement age one more time. And the commuter carriers are crying Crocodile tears, so the FAA drops the 1,500 hour requirement, in order for them to go back paying their pilots $20K/yr. again! |
Originally Posted by Easyheat
(Post 10553732)
It is all about T&Cs. You will never see any legacy in Europe either looking for DECs. A high seniority is somehow the best indication, that the working conditions offered are fair, hence a low seniority the opposite.
Although that’s exactly what Tui are doing for the ex TC folk, albeit a summer only contract |
On the corporate side of the "shortage":
"Creative employers are using incentives to help hold on to aviation professionals." But are they really ? https://nbaa.org/news/business-aviat...tention-tools/ |
Looks like Boeing intends recruiting hundreds of 737 drivers, to deliver all these grounded Maxes. Anyone know who is doing the recruiting? https://www.businessinsider.com/boei...19-8?r=US&IR=T Silver |
Originally Posted by silverstrata
(Post 10634988)
Anyone know who is doing the recruiting?
The workers will "assist and support 737 MAX storage and pre-delivery." I didn't see a specific mention of pilots being hired to deliver released airplanes. But if Boeing were to make deliveries, they'd need a bunch of pilots. Maybe the airlines buying the stored airplanes would send their own pilots to pick them up ? The article says to find jobs here. I didn't fizz around to see what specific jobs were listed, if any: https://jobs.boeing.com/ |
presumably every airframe will require at least one Boeing / FAA test flight before being delivered, they might need a few extra drivers for that?
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Personally the market is short of ‘experienced’ pilots, but the other question is ‘what is an experienced pilot?’ At my current outfit, we have 2 lines of recruitment, which is DEFO 3,000hrs+ or a cadet. There are a few who come DEC, like myself, but this is rare within the industry now. The other aspect of this is the region in the world, each region is different, Asia, for example is forever recruiting and looking for ‘experienced’ pilots.. So it brings me back to my initial point, someone define to me what an ‘experienced’ pilot is! OMAA |
Originally Posted by silverstrata
(Post 10634988)
Looks like Boeing intends recruiting hundreds of 737 drivers, to deliver all these grounded Maxes. Anyone know who is doing the recruiting? https://www.businessinsider.com/boei...19-8?r=US&IR=T Silver |
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