SaulGoodman

It's a way in. Life is full of choices. Take it or leave it. Is anyone forcing anyone to take this route? Your comment is just as useless!

Yes, in a way one is. Forced. With ratings that last one year, with 50-60-70.000€ financed etc. Anyone who takes that route must know that they are undermining the T&Cs of the very jobs they long for after a joint like ST, though. In that way, its not bad that they are gone. OTOH they had just absorbed a lot of ex Air Berlin guys and these are f..... again.

Would you choose to have heart surgery performed by a surgeon who had to pay for his training, and then pay the hospital to be allowed to operate on you? Really? No chance of him being in dire stress, no where to live, coming in to operate when sick and so on, is there?

The managers who create schemes like this deserve to fail. The real shame is the fact that innocents are dragged down with them - in this case the regular pilots and cabin crew.

HT, I suggest that you take a long look at yourself. Exploiting the vulnerable is not an admirable trait.

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Can we stop bickering now over this? The bottom line is that Germania did help a number of pilots into the job market by giving them hours, but you may not like the way they did it. The snag is that most are now unemployed, but they may be OK because there is a shortage of experienced pilots...apparently.

But remember there are a lot of other staff, cabin crew, engineers, ground ops, planners, admin, accountants all without an immediate future.

Good luck to all the staff at Germania, whether you were part of P2F or not. Being out of work is no fun.

Ahhh the just except any and everything brigade. "Giving them hours" Oh the joy, the nice people they were. I guess we should start a charity for ST's management then ?

I think it would be better if we all buy our own fuel in future, so that the Michael O'Learies of this planet can get a decent payback for giving us all the hours...selfless folks, these...
Apart from my sarcasm:
There is no shortage, at least not in Germany. And all of these folks in ST were UNDERPAID all the the time already.

That would suggest that you accuse me of being a person who exploits the vulnerable? What a damning statement to make, and so far from the truth!

As for your analogy, I will resist to go into that or we will go off piste.

Sorry, but even though I fully agree with your view that the managers who create these schemes deserve to fail, that won't happen unless these jobs are not applied for in the first place. Don't blame the airline, blame the guys and girls who apply accepting these T&Cs. If there were no takers things would have to change.

Anyway, whatever some of you may think of Germania, the bottom line is that a large workforce have lost their jobs and my thoughts are with them.

Laudamotion will continue to exist as a separate entity with its own management.

The gossip is, Cargolux, Edelweiss, Laudamotion and Swiss not accepting GMI pilots "due to pay2fly at GMI".
Not sure it's true, time will probably tell.
Would limit the options for the pilots a but further, nasty.

Neither. Apparently he did the type rating on a private basis before joining Germania which cost him 29k. The rest was doing his ATPL, also on a private basis it looks like. The way the article reads he was regularly employed by Germania and enjoyed it. He will probably be taken on by someone else relatively fast, time for out of work pilots have not been this hopeful for a while. Lots of companies are looking. I talked to someone in a similar position last week and he had offers of 4 major companies he could choose from.

Plus you need to pass that DLR test for anything LH related. If you don't or have failed once before there is not much choice left. Maybe this no mercy practice is forcing young pilots into P2F and similar too? Maybe the VC union should start with their own policy?

Yeah, love talking down to those cocky young chaps! :hmm: The fact is that from personal experience at the time I disagree with your rose coloured view of that era.

I wonder who was behind the "gossip". Wishful anti Germania person(s) for sure. Good to see that it was total nonsense!

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I wonder about what? The slots are already re-allocated via the slot coordinator. Of course, that is not a problem in Erfurt and Paderborn. But there wasn't really anyone queuing up to compete there anyway. Well, i won't cry over the demise of that company, i just feel sorry for my colleagues working there.

A colleague just called me to say the rumours in Germany are that the German operation has been bought by Swiss Investors and, as he puts it, there is now an airline called SWISS with German ownership and an airline called GERMANIA with Swiss ownership !!

Not sure if his info is correct, but I do like the possible irony.