Jin Air pilot South Korea found to be over the limit
IMO this is a fair punishment for a crime committed without malice. Also IMO he/she will never do it again............It doesn't have the OTT reaction that we see in the west these days. No public hanging here.
"Flying drunk ..." 90 days of disqualification from a jin air pilot - International News |
Without malice?
Ask the passengers of that flight if it would be ok for their drunk pilot to take them to their destination. Permanent license revocation. Nothing less. I can assume you have not lost a loved one to a selfish drunk driver. |
Originally Posted by Sikpilot
(Post 10345754)
Permanent license revocation. Nothing less.
I can assume you have not lost a loved one to a selfish drunk driver. Alcoholism is a medical problem, not a moral failing. |
The pilot drank three bottles of alcoholic beverages and eight bottles of shochu on the night of the 13th of last month. According to the council, Mr. A was found to have a "Fail" rating of 0.02% or more, which is the blood alcohol level, at 6:30 am on March 14 at the Jin Air office in Cheongju airport. A arrived at Cheongju the day before and said that he drank 8 bottles of shochu with 3 people from 7 pm to 11:20 pm. Shochu, or Shochu, is a Japanese spirit usually distilled from barley, rice or sweet potatoes, though it may be produced from anything including sugar and chestnuts! It is usually has an abv of around 25%, although it can be stronger, and it is produced throughout Japan. Typically it is drunk neat, with ice, or mixed with tea or fruit juice, and it is widely available in Japan. There are two categories of Shochu which are "Multiply Distilled" and "Singly Distilled" Shochu. The former may be distilled more than once from various base ingredients, must not be filtered through charcoal, and is bottled at under 36% abv. The latter must be distilled just once from a base ingredient including potato, grain, sake lees, koji (a type of fungus), rice or sugar, and is bottled at no more than 45% abv IG |
While I appreciate that the pilot has a medical problem, he did not stop drinking because he realised the gravity of what he was doing, he stopped because he was caught. How many times did he pass that gate and fly in a similar state before he was caught and how many people were at risk because of his actions. If you do the crime, then you serve the time, rehabilitation or not.
IG |
If there was no crackdown, Mr. A, who was assigned as the departure vice-president at 7:25 am, could sit in the cockpit and make a dangerous "drunk flight." |
Did someone mention "GIN Air"????
Rgds McHale. |
If alcoholism is a medical condition, then it is the same as continuing to fly whilst knowing you have, say, a dicky ticker, diabetes or a brain tumour, and hiding the fact. It's definitely naughty, you know it's wrong and it should be punishable.
However, alcoholics are usually in denial, are often depressed, and some would argue that drinking too much is just a lifestyle choice. And there are alcoholics who are reformed and teetotal who are perfectly splendid and competent people. So we need to police a system that give a nod to all of these facts. |
Originally Posted by Dog Star
(Post 10345715)
IMO this is a fair punishment for a crime committed without malice. Also IMO he/she will never do it again............It doesn't have the OTT reaction that we see in the west these days. No public hanging here.
"Flying drunk ..." 90 days of disqualification from a jin air pilot - International News |
I thought the pp in the sites title was professional pilots not persistent pissheads . . Suspended for less time than a drunk car driver . . ? . . Really ? . .
You should be ashamed supporting this kind of sentence. |
Originally Posted by nicolai
(Post 10345780)
Alcoholism is a medical problem, not a moral failing.
Knowingly flying while suffering from a medically disqualifying condition however, is another thing. And that is an offense which is criminally punishable. I've been diagnosed with pre-diabetes recently, and haven't flown since. Until I lose ~30 pounds and get my a1c levels under control, my medical certificate isn't worth the ink it was printed with. That does not mean I'm being punished; I'm (and others on the ground are) being protected from myself. Should I go out and fly, I would knowingly put others in danger. Which in turn, as it should, is a criminal offense. |
Originally Posted by fergusd
(Post 10346084)
I thought the pp in the sites title was professional pilots not persistent pissheads . . Suspended for less time than a drunk car driver . . ? . . Really ? . .
You should be ashamed supporting this kind of sentence. Feel free to get into a Cessna 172 with him at anytime. This time he was caught at .02 but the next time might be 1.2! The guy's at the front end of the plane are in a Safety Sensitive position and should be 0.0 for Drugs and Alcohol. BK |
Originally Posted by ph-sbe
(Post 10346167)
Indeed it is. True alcoholism is the manifestation of addiction to alcohol. Which can indeed be medically treated. Suffering from this medical condition does not warrant LOL, merely a temporarily suspension of ones medical certificate.
Knowingly flying while suffering from a medically disqualifying condition however, is another thing. And that is an offense which is criminally punishable. I've been diagnosed with pre-diabetes recently, and haven't flown since. Until I lose ~30 pounds and get my a1c levels under control, my medical certificate isn't worth the ink it was printed with. That does not mean I'm being punished; I'm (and others on the ground are) being protected from myself. Should I go out and fly, I would knowingly put others in danger. Which in turn, as it should, is a criminal offense. |
Originally Posted by bud leon
(Post 10346407)
He was 0.02. That's less than one standard drink. Most people wouldn't be able to tell they were 0.02 that time of the morning unless they self-tested.
"According to the council, Mr. A was found to have a "Fail" rating of 0.02% or more" The "more" may be the critical bit? In New South Wales there is a limit of 0.02 in place for
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Originally Posted by NumptyAussie
(Post 10346414)
the article states
"According to the council, Mr. A was found to have a "Fail" rating of 0.02% or more" The "more" may be the critical bit? In New South Wales there is a limit of 0.02 in place for
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420m won fine isn't to be sniffed at. that's a fairly sizable amount that any employee will get a kick up the ass for causing
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Is it common for the airline to get this type of fine in asia? I've never heard of it in Europe?! Don't know if it's the right way to go but it will certainly put som pressure on the airlines to take this seriously.
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"I would knowingly put others in danger." Would that also fall to those pilots who boeing class as average flying the 737Max? :sad: |
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