giggitygiggity;
The EGPS will not work without information from the IRS, so that they had NAV info, but looks like they really lost control. First they had to fly the airplane and after to navigate. I assume that in the high stress environment they had, was easier to ask vectors than to look for some FMS settings or for MAPS. |
Originally Posted by meleagertoo
(Post 10308561)
Bloody hell!
That recording is terrifying! |
With all my respects (i am a pilot myself) does Air Astana have CRM principles on their cockpits? or is the old russian school?
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Yes, Air Astana practices CRM, its no longer old Russian school.
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Originally Posted by wideman
(Post 10309218)
The second part is out and is every bit as amazing. As I'm listening to the pilot sounding more and more disoriented, I'm thinking there's no way on earth this man is going to put this plane on the ground in one piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evYLkhxoP3U |
Originally Posted by wideman
(Post 10309218)
The second part is out and is every bit as amazing. As I'm listening to the pilot sounding more and more disoriented, I'm thinking there's no way on earth this man is going to put this plane on the ground in one piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evYLkhxoP3U |
Some pieces of information from local news sources: Cockpit crew are Russian/Kazakh. Also on board was a British engineer, 54, who along with 37yo Kazakh required medical assistance due to stress symptoms after the incident, both have been released from hospital after a few hours. Other crew consisted of
Local news station has some shaky footage of aborted landing and go-around: |
Both the UK's immediate postwar 4-engined prototypes were lost shortly after takeoff on test flights due to controls being misassembled.
The Handley Page Hermes prototype crashed on its maiden flight in December 1945, killing the key Handley Page test pilot team, due to the elevators being misconnected. The Avro Tudor prototype crashed in August 1947, killing among others the Avro chief designer, Roy Chadwick, who had designed the Lancaster, the Tudor itself, and various other Avro types. The aileron cables had been reversed following overnight work. |
Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 10310029)
Both the UK's immediate postwar 4-engined prototypes were lost shortly after takeoff on test flights due to controls being misassembled.
The Handley Page Hermes prototype crashed on its maiden flight in December 1945, killing the key Handley Page test pilot team, due to the elevators being misconnected. The Avro Tudor prototype crashed in August 1947, killing among others the Avro chief designer, Roy Chadwick, who had designed the Lancaster, the Tudor itself, and various other Avro types. The aileron cables had been reversed following overnight work. OAP |
Well done
All my engineering life as a LAE I used to kid pilots saying if flying was hard engineers would do it. After listening to the radio recording and reading the story I bow my head to these involved in this event.
very very well done. Peter |
Scary stuff.
Originally Posted by SigWit
(Post 10308831)
There are two modes: Normal mode, where the Flight Control Modules process the flight control inputs and provides the processed inputs to the Actuator Control Electronics.
And then there is Direct mode, where the FCM's are left out of the equation and the flight control inputs are send unprocessed to the ACE's On the SIM the A/C is demonstrated to be flyable without any aileron input at all, just using elevator and rudders. According to lore the aircraft was originally supposed to have three-axis FBW but a deadline for delivery to JetBlue could only be met by using conventional ailerons. Aileron control quadrants are rather prominently placed inside the main gear wheel wells with the aileron servo just forward of the left wheel well. As for the control check, you always try to be vigilant but with a little distraction ailerons moving the opposite way could escape detection. Will be very interesting to learn what happened. |
Originally Posted by txl
(Post 10309941)
Some pieces of information from local news sources: Cockpit crew are a Brit, 54, and a Kazakh, 37. Both required medical assistance due to stress symptoms after the incident, but have been released from hospital after a few hours. Other crew consisted of four airline engineers or three engineers, one additional pilot, according to varying reports.
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Originally Posted by giggitygiggity
(Post 10308633)
They said they were IMC for a long time, if they had no attitude information they wouldn't know what was going on at all, once they became visual, perhaps they managed to stabilise the flight reasonably then and come up with a plan to get it down.
There is always a compass and an auxiliar attitude indicator on all paxs commercial plane. Once i had a totally screen failure and i flew with those two. |
Decent write-up on AVH. Erratic roll control, even up to touchdown. Intended rwy was 19R but couldn't correct drift enough and wound up on 19L.
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https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ca63bc433.jpeg This photo is of the contol yoke, full right turn. On the synoptic page the flight contols deflection is shown. Ailerons show to be wrongly deflected. (Up/down on the wrong side) Thanks to the avHerald site for this photo. I hope the six on board will be able to recover from this experience. |
Indeed - but the roll spoilers are operating in the correct direction?
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Not an Embraer pilot, disconnecting the FCM and flying in direct mode as they did, would that have taken the spoilerons out of the loop leaving with them with just the reversed ailerons? Wow, what a fantastic flying job by this crew! I'm sure we will be studying this for years to come as an example of exceptional decision making and CRM.
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I suppose this picture is taken on the ground after the landing?
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Originally Posted by pattern_is_full
(Post 10311050)
Indeed - but the roll spoilers are operating in the correct direction?
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In the configuration pictured in the synoptic page, the spoilers would be creating adverse yaw, while the ailerons would be rolling the aircraft (the wrong way). On instruments, I suspect the adverse yaw would play with your mind and make it even harder to keep the wings level.
Good thing they didn't crash right after rotation and were thus able to eventually work out their problems sufficiently to calm down a bit and land the aircraft. |
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