LGW second runway "by the back door" going ahead.
Plans will be submitted for "routine use" of 08L/ 26R to public consultation this Thursday...
Beeb: "Gatwick Airport is due to unveil plans to use its emergency runway to increase capacity. The airport's latest draft plan is set to be released on Thursday and will go out to public consultation, a spokesman said. The emergency runway would be used for smaller aircraft departures, as part of future growth plans. Opponents to expansion at the West Sussex airport have called it "a second runway by the back door". An airport spokesman said it was "exploring how to make best use of its existing runways, including the possibility of bringing its existing standby runway into routine use". "This would deliver an incremental increase in capacity that complements the expansion schemes of other airports across the South East." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-45861559 |
Well you certainly wouldn't want a runway by your back door would you?
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LGW second runway "by the back door" going ahead
No, it's not even close to "going ahead" - there are a ton of legal and operational hurdles that would have to be overcome first, not least the safety case around using a pair of runways only 200 m apart at the same time.
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How odd that this story should present itself just days after one regarding rumours on the NYSE that GIP were considering selling their stake in Gatwick.. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...investor-group
One could almost surmise that they were trying to increase the 'potential' value of their asset... despite the fact that as has rightly already been said this is a long way from a reality...They stand to make a lot of money anyway but they'd have made even more if they could have sold it on with planning permission for a second runway. No different from doing the same with a small house on a large plot of land. This will just have to do I suppose. |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10283911)
No, it's not even close to "going ahead" - there are a ton of legal and operational hurdles that would have to be overcome first, not least the safety case around using a pair of runways only 200 m apart at the same time.
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Originally Posted by GusHoneybun
(Post 10283955)
Tegel Airport in berlin operates 2 runways and they are certainly less than 200m apart.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10283990)
We will presumably find out more once the plan is published, but the somewhat sketchy announcement so far does not suggest that a TXL-type, segregated mode operation is what Gatwick has in mind.
Don't expect the idea to be operational next year though! |
Düsseldorf has two very close parallel runways in use as well, the northern one being the "main".
How often is Gatwick's reserve runway used these days? |
There's no "by the back door" about it. There was an agreement in place, which has expired or is to expire very soon. Without any new agreement, Gatwick should be free to use both runways subject to the necessary approvals.
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Originally Posted by Super VC-10
(Post 10284621)
There's no "by the back door" about it. There was an agreement in place, which has expired or is to expire very soon. Without any new agreement, Gatwick should be free to use both runways subject to the necessary approvals.
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Runway separation
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10283911)
No, it's not even close to "going ahead" - there are a ton of legal and operational hurdles that would have to be overcome first, not least the safety case around using a pair of runways only 200 m apart at the same time.
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Originally Posted by msjh
(Post 10284758)
How far apart are pairs of runways normally? Is there a standard or recommendation?
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10284760)
ICAO Doc 9643 - Manual on Simultaneous Operations on Parallel or Near-Parallel Instrument Runways
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So will we be getting ILS PRM ? I guess it’s the obvious place for the ATRS and suchlike to land, but the next smallest are the A3xxs and the 737s , could they use it everyday ? |
msjh,
SFO's main arrival runways 28 are 750 feet apart, and that goes bad frequently, so the magic number is more than that. |
Landing on the wrong runway
Originally Posted by sb_sfo
(Post 10285038)
msjh,
SFO's main arrival runways 28 are 750 feet apart, and that goes bad frequently, so the magic number is more than that. I guess another question then is just how often planes have landed on the wrong runway at Gatwick, as a purely pragmatic measure. |
The FAA typically requires 4300 feet runway separation for independent IFR operations. On a case by case analysis only 3000 feet might be permitted.
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Originally Posted by msjh
(Post 10285219)
I guess another question then is just how often planes have landed on the wrong runway at Gatwick, as a purely pragmatic measure.
Originally Posted by Less Hair
(Post 10285229)
The FAA typically requires 4300 feet runway separation for independent IFR operations. On a case by case analysis only 3000 feet might be permitted.
1035 m for independent parallel approaches (subject to suitable SSR requirements, otherwise 1310 m) 915 m for dependent parallel approaches 760 m for dependent parallel departures 760 m for segregated parallel operations (less if runways are staggered) |
Originally Posted by GusHoneybun
(Post 10283955)
Tegel Airport in berlin operates 2 runways and they are certainly less than 200m apart.
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Originally Posted by nonsense
(Post 10285314)
Measuring with googlemaps returns a result of 200m (+/- not very much).
But still nowhere near the minimum required for parallel IFR operations. |
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