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interpreter 7th Oct 2018 09:18

GATWICK northern runway
 
There is a rumour that a twin engined jet took off as cleared using the northern runway recently at Gatwick and only just cleared hardware at the eastern end. Does anybody know anything about this?

Airbanda 7th Oct 2018 09:57


Originally Posted by interpreter (Post 10267847)
There is a rumour that a twin engined jet took off as cleared using the northern runway recently at Gatwick and only just cleared hardware at the eastern end. Does anybody know anything about this?

Nothing in Avherald which, absent reports by mainstream media, is where I'd expect to see it covered first.

At least one similar incident (SunWing 737 at BFS) was only picked up after substantial delay and in that case there was damage to ground equipment.

There are plenty of Spotter's reports of aircraft only just airborne at end of strip which are down to optical illusions and/or normal operation of flex thrust or t/o from an intersection.

I guess if there was an incident it will be reported in AAIB Bulletin in due course.

DaveReidUK 7th Oct 2018 10:09


Originally Posted by interpreter (Post 10267847)
There is a rumour that a twin engined jet took off as cleared using the northern runway recently at Gatwick and only just cleared hardware at the eastern end. Does anybody know anything about this?

A "twin-engined jet" at Gatwick doesn't narrow it down much. :O

As for "hardware at the eastern end" of the northern runway, it's hard to see what that could have been. You could roll for another kilometer beyond the end of the 08L TORA and unless you were unlucky enough to encounter a taxying aircraft, the first thing you would hit would be the jetties on stands 4/5.

If you really do mean that a departing aircraft only just cleared one on the ground, I think we would have heard about it by now without waiting for an AAIB report.

student88 7th Oct 2018 12:56


Originally Posted by Airbanda (Post 10267873)
Nothing in Avherald which, absent reports by mainstream media, is where I'd expect to see it covered first.

The AvHerald aren't the authority, I have been aware of plenty of incidents which never appeared on their site. So just because it isn't there, it doesn't mean it didn't happen..

interpreter 7th Oct 2018 13:26

Have re-checked with my source and it was believed to have a been a Norwegian aircraft but cannot tell if it was a 787 or 737

JW411 7th Oct 2018 16:21

I hope he has a good lawyer.

Airbanda 7th Oct 2018 21:00


Originally Posted by student88 (Post 10267980)
The AvHerald aren't the authority, I have been aware of plenty of incidents which never appeared on their site. So just because it isn't there, it doesn't mean it didn't happen..

Not saying it didn't happen, just looking for evidence it did.

DaveReidUK 7th Oct 2018 21:25

A date a little more precise than "recently" would help in deciding whether or not it happened.

suninmyeyes 7th Oct 2018 21:52

I don’t quite understand how this could have happened. At Gatwick you are not cleared for take off until you have entered the runway. Also you are normally told to line up behind an arriving or departing aircraft.

DaveReidUK 7th Oct 2018 22:20


Originally Posted by suninmyeyes (Post 10268287)
I don’t quite understand how this could have happened.

Unless and until we actually know what "this" was, we have no hope of understanding the how or why.


Originally Posted by interpreter (Post 10267847)
only just cleared hardware at the eastern end


A and C 8th Oct 2018 05:17

This is a rumour network and I would hazard a guess that the rumour has about as much validity as the rumour about my national lottery win.

Eau de Boeing 8th Oct 2018 12:40

Well if it was definitely a twin engine that’s me off the hook!

Nightstop 8th Oct 2018 14:29

08L TORA is about 600 metres less than 08R. A take-off from 08L using performance figures for a reduced thrust take-off from 08R would fit this scenario. Just guessing though.

Mr Angry from Purley 8th Oct 2018 18:12

Many moons ago there was a Braniff (might be someone else) 747 took off and ATC lost sight of her. Think it lost an engine - sure someone will confirm with the correct info.

Maxfli 8th Oct 2018 18:39

08L
 
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1b2d17cd3.jpeg

Wander West on Juliet............ Cleared for take-off................ Line up on 08L and launch...... In Gatters? Don’t believe it.

nevillestyke 8th Oct 2018 19:31


Originally Posted by Mr Angry from Purley (Post 10268967)
Many moons ago there was a Braniff (might be someone else) 747 took off and ATC lost sight of her. Think it lost an engine - sure someone will confirm with the correct info.

Think I saw that one, sometime in the 80s, when I was working outdoors in Brighton. It did two circuits at about 800', dumping fuel at sea before returning to Gatwick. They said that it lost an engine, taking off in a crosswind, and clipped the trees.

Liffy 1M 8th Oct 2018 19:33


Originally Posted by nevillestyke (Post 10269025)
Think I saw that one, sometime in the 80s, when I was working outdoors in Brighton. It did two circuits at about 800', dumping fuel at sea before returning to Gatwick. They said that it lost an engine, taking off in a crosswind, and clipped the trees.

https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/4-19...-february-1988

30W 8th Oct 2018 20:17

Mr Angry,

We’re going back many years! Not sure of details but do as a pilot vividly remember a story of an aircraft, operator unknown, losing an engine (even 2, 747?) from LGW which disappeared from towers sight! Story went that the flight engineer was a major saving factor as was dumping fuel before the gear retraction was even complete.....

If true makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up!

30W

DaveReidUK 9th Oct 2018 06:29


Originally Posted by Maxfli (Post 10268982)
Wander West on Juliet............ Cleared for take-off................ Line up on 08L and launch...... In Gatters? Don’t believe it.

Hmmm. A confusing, hypothetical explanation for one possible scenario surrounding an unconfirmed event.

OK, I know PPRuNe is a rumour network, but let's not get too carried away. :O

Right Way Up 9th Oct 2018 07:41

Mr Angry, I remember it as a Continental 747 which had an engine surge due to crosswind. Friends of mine in Concorde House thought it had hit Russ Hill, as did the controller who hit the crash alarm. Stories in the paper included a farm hand on Russ Hill ducking for cover whilst being doused in Jet A1 ;)


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