Washington Dulles RTO incident
Could've been much much worse. Thankfully UAL had their eyes ahead. |
WTF??? The controller almost didn't seem to realise what a cock up he'd made!!!!
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Clear left...
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WTF??? The controller almost didn't seem to realise what type of dog up he'd made!!!! I was impressed with how all parties reacted and worked after the RTO. |
Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
(Post 10256628)
Clear left...
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I was impressed with how all parties reacted and worked after the RTO. |
Sounds like they switch controllers (judging by the voices) at some point when 326 gets the line up and wait and requests a few minutes to reset some things?
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It's only a guess but I would think that the controller (possibly a little shaken) requested to be relieved from his position. All I can say is that with multiple runway crossings at many major US airports, and the amount of tin that moves around at these airports, it's a wonder that these type of incidents don't happen more frequently. On the whole ATC do a magnificent job.
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If there was an operational error, the controller would have been relieved from the position. |
If there was an operational error, the controller would have been relieved from the position. |
Originally Posted by Hotel Tango
(Post 10257237)
That's for sure, but controllers will also voluntarily request to be relieved as soon as possible after an incident. They don't have to be told!
Their wishes vs process. |
Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 10257304)
Their wishes vs process. |
What it really comes down to is whether the controller wants off or not, they are coming off and protocals are initiated, statements, pee in s bottle, NATCA rep, preservation of data, etc. Its nice to say he or she may ask to come off position, its moot, they're coming off.
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At United does the crew require an amended dispatch release after a rejected takeoff for a non-maintenance reason? In recent years that seems to be a big deal with some outfits, not so big with others.
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Think night and moderate rain. Think Tenerife. Think Air Canada at SFO. Seems like the weakest link in the U.S. air transport system.
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Think night and moderate rain. Think Tenerife. Think Air Canada at SFO. Seems like the weakest link in the U.S. air transport system. |
The only thing to bash here is airport layout requiring runway crossings.. I think by now everybody in the industry must understand the need for building taxiways around runways whenever possible, even though the extended taxi times can be a bit frustrating once in a while... |
Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 10257577)
What it really comes down to is whether the controller wants off or not, they are coming off and protocals are initiated, statements, pee in s bottle, NATCA rep, preservation of data, etc. Its nice to say he or she may ask to come off position, its moot, they're coming off.
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Originally Posted by Hotel Tango
(Post 10258097)
I don't know if this is ATC bashing but let's get one thing straight: Tenerife was not an ATC error. It was pilot error! Furthermore, there was no ground radar to assist the controller. It was also an era when official ATC phraseology used the term "standby for take-off". A clipped transmission made the senior Captain think he had been cleared for take-off and he dismissed doubts expressed by other crew members! Since then we have CRM in the cockpit and "departure" iso "take-off" used by ATC with the sole exception of an actual take-off clearance. As for Air Canada at SFO, yet again pilot error!
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Runway Status Lights Debut at Washington-Dulles
Was the RWSL system not operational or just ignored by the crossing aircraft?
"Runway status lights (RWSL) are now operational on runways and taxiways at Washington-Dulles International Airport (IAD). The fully automated lighting system is being implemented at airports throughout the U.S. as part of a program to help enhance runway safety. The lighting system provides direct runway status information to pilots and surface vehicle operators indicating when it is unsafe to enter, cross, or takeoff from a runway. It requires no input from controllers as it processes information from surveillance systems and then activates runway entrance lights and takeoff hold lights in accordance with the motion and velocity of the detected traffic. Light fixtures embedded in the pavement are directly visible to pilots and vehicle operators. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) plans to have RWSLs operational at 23 U.S. airports by the end of 2016." https://www.nbaa.org/ops/safety/runw...es-airport.php |
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