Spent many a time in Iqaluit. With a bit of double bunking , and provided there isn't a conference or sports tournament going on - there's lots of hotel room.
The airport fire services guys are top-notch up there - and a blast to hang with. A top notch diversion spot with very capable FSS as well. Iqaluit is very much one of the 'big-cities' of the North. It has 7800 people living there! Throw a traditional name on it and foreigners automatically think it's some shanty town with a Hudson's Bay trading post and a row of igloo's 😒......There's towns in southern Canada; with more people, who have less amenities and space than Iqaluit does. Between the Nova, Frobisher, and even Navigator Inn there's lots of room this time of year. Any competent Customer Journey Management team at an airline should be able figure things out for these people. |
Originally Posted by India Four Two
(Post 10248755)
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glad rag,
Very true and most of it is empty and inhospitable. I’ve flown London to Calgary and back many times. Nearly half the trip is over Canada! |
Yup. As we say: 'too much Geography, not enough History'(!) Everyone knows how big NWT, Nunavut etc are, but biggest surprise for me was just how far north Quebec extends... it is VAST! |
and you only see lights about 1 hour out of Calgary..........................
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Iqaluit is very much one of the 'big-cities' of the North. It has 7800 people living there! Throw a traditional name on it and foreigners automatically think it's some shanty town with a Hudson's Bay trading post and a row of igloo's ��...... When we arrived for the 747-8 engine tests, it was 11pm when we got to the hotel - and none of us had eaten since lunch (the test 747 was a freighter and could only carry 10 people - the rest of us arrived on a chartered regional jet - we had to stop for gas 3 times to get there from Everett). The only place in town that was open was a Pub, and they stopped serving food 10pm.:* |
tdracer
" Go ugly, early" was a trick successfully applied by one charmer in the RNoAF in the 1970s , according my friend Capt A. K.
We were also warned at Navy Bootcamp that some local girls had the motto : " Knock me up, and take me south." Test Pilots should know these basics, Eh? ( Could be local coldwar rules in Norway, not applicable in Frobisher?) Regards Cpt B |
Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 10249290)
Aren't about 2,000 of those people "Guests of the State"? The territorial prison is located in Iqaluit...
When we arrived for the 747-8 engine tests, it was 11pm when we got to the hotel - and none of us had eaten since lunch (the test 747 was a freighter and could only carry 10 people - the rest of us arrived on a chartered regional jet - we had to stop for gas 3 times to get there from Everett). The only place in town that was open was a Pub, and they stopped serving food 10pm.:* The 'guests' aren't usually counted in census' as local residents, but rather their addresses from where they live. Mind you, the majority of them are of no fixed address in Iqaluit. |
I used to carry 5 days of food , fishing gear and a "22cal , just in case...
Smaller operation then BA and Boeing mind You. td, a crate of Bourbon would have done the trick. |
Originally Posted by plhought
(Post 10249432)
You guys need to look in the little phone book every once a while! 'Snack Y2K' is the 24 food service in Iqaluit. It's honestly the best roast chicken meal I've ever had in my life. They deliver 24 hours. The key to being up north is never be afraid to ask.
Travel split us between two hotels - don't recall now which place we stayed out (nice lobby, not so nice rooms), but the ones that stayed at the other hotel gave a similar story. After we were done with the testing, six of us had to fly back commercial - including me (long story) so we were dropped off at the airport terminal to check in for our flight to Toronto. After we checked in for our flight, I asked if there was any sort of restaurant on-site. No, just some pre-packed sandwiches in the gift shop, but there was a coffee shop a block down the street that had food. So we walked down the street to the coffee shop in the frigid cold (apparently concerns that the sun would warm things up enough to lose our test window were unfounded). No food service there either - just some pre-packed sandwiches :(. I did buy a crappy sandwich at the coffee shop, but the only decent food I got on the entire trip was in the Toronto airport (which nearly caused us to miss our connecting flight to Chicago :ooh:). If there was 24 hour food service available - with delivery - no one we talked to seemed to know anything about it (and we asked plenty of people - when all you've had to eat for 24 hours is a stale sandwich you get desperate). Maybe those friendly Canadians just didn't want to share their precious food with those nasty American visitors... It sticks in my mind as the least pleasant trip I ever took for Boeing - I'd had to drop my wife at the airport at midnight the night before, then I had to be at Boeing for the charter at 6am (although we didn't leave until after 8am). They had box lunches and some soft drinks but we were not warned we wouldn't arrive in Iqaluit until 10pm so most of the box lunches were polished off early on. After our late arrival in Iqaluit, I basically couldn't sleep so I stayed up until 2 doing email. I did go to bed for about 2 hours but I'm pretty sure I didn't sleep - back to the airport for the test. The return flight was Iqaluit - Toronto - Chicago - Seattle, arrive in Seattle at about midnight. But now I'm at SeaTac, and my car is in Everett where we caught the charter... Hour cab ride ($120) to get my car so I could turn around and drive home. Nearly 48 hours door to door, no meaningful sleep, a box lunch, a stale sandwich, and a meal at the Toronto airport all that I had to eat. After I finally got home and went to bed, my dog pee'd on the rug while I was sleeping - something he'd never done. I suspect he tried to wake me to let him out but finally gave up... |
So, Boeing is brilliant at building aircraft!
Charter trips: Not so much! Eh? |
Originally Posted by BluSdUp
(Post 10249522)
So, Boeing is brilliant at building aircraft!
Charter trips: Not so much! Eh? The trip to Iqaluit was the exception - but that may have been because it was a huge rush. When we found out about the problem, (and my good friend who was responsible for certifying engine starting told management what had happened in Anchorage was not certifiable) we were rapidly running out of winter (late March IIRC) so it was a thrash to find someplace where it was going to be cold enough, then set everything up and go test. And it takes a small army when it's Boeing's aircraft - flight test personnel, mechanics and ground personnel, engineering, GE support people to program the changes in the FADEC s/w, between 50 and 60 people total. I think we were told on a Friday that it was forecast to be cold enough in Iqaluit and we left early Monday so we could test Tuesday. |
Originally Posted by plhought
(Post 10249018)
Any competent Customer Journey Management team at an airline should be able figure things out for these people.
The most straightforward thing for a major carrier like BA is likely to cancel and commandeer the next BA after arrival at the nearest point (Toronto ?) and send it with the supposedly returning crew up to Iqaluit to pick up the load and continue to Calgary. All the rest of the recovery takes then place at major points. Sending a relief aircraft from Heathrow somehow seems more challenging and takes longer to achieve, plus engineering would want to hold it until they knew what spares and engineers to send. The only readily available charter capacity in Canada might be something like a 737, and you would need two for a 787 load. In 1966 Wardair started regular transatlantic operations from West and Eastern Canada to many UK and European airports using their new 727-11 CF-FUN 'Bluie West 8' ceased to be in 1992, when the airport was handed over to Greenland for civilian use. Thus, the naming sequence is Bluie West 8 -> Søndre Strømfjord -> Kangerlussuaq. it's about as remote as you can get... |
Good Job Then.
Td
I think , all considering ,it sound like it was indeed a successful trip. Mission accomplished . When April is gone all of these places like Thule , Cambridge Bay, Siberia all enjoy 24hr sun an a balmy -15 or warmer. So Amundsen/Scot Base would be next, for 6 months. Maybe not an option! What was the restricting factor on starting in cold wx, if I may ask? Regards Cpt B |
from BAsource
British Airways B787-9 G-ZBKR Iqualit Rescue Mission.Sep 13, 2018Following the technical diversion of BA103 London Heathrow – Calgary to Iqualit yesterday evening, British Airways Boeing 787-9 G-ZBKR positioned London Heathrow – Iqualit as BA9152 early this afternoon in order to take over the diverted service, routing Iqualit – Calgary as BA9601. British Airways B787-9 G-ZBKA Returns from Iqualit to Cardiff Maintenance. Sep 14, 2018 Following its technical diversion on 12th September, British Airways Boeing 787-9 G-ZBKA positioned Iqaluit – Cardiff-Wales for maintenance attention this afternoon as BA9174. |
What was the restricting factor on starting in cold wx, if I may ask? GE played around with the fuel nozzle staging during starts to fix it (the GEnx has a really complex fuel injection system - basically acts like a dual annular combustor for emissions - but without the drawbacks of an actual dual annular combustor - so there are a lot of variables they can play with). When we did the testing, GE would load a software 'trim' into one engine, and we'd try a start. The first one was OK - definitely an improvement - but the trim the tried on the second engine worked great. We tried that trim on engines 3 and 4 and again it worked great. The trims were not considered 'flight worthy' so they ran all four engines for ~20 minutes to get them nice and warm so they'd be able to get them started a few hour later when it was time to head back to Seattle, then shutdown and restored the original s/w on all engines. This was going on spring of 2011, and we got type cert and started initial deliveries about six months later. If we hadn't gotten the fix identified in Iqaluit, I suppose they would have needed to head to someplace way, way south to do the test or we wouldn't have gotten type cert when we did. |
So what WAS the Issue?
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Cabin air compressor fault of some sort. Champ |
Originally Posted by RVF750
(Post 10248447)
Possibly they autolanded to a stop so that the aircraft would stay on centreline if view deteriorated?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ! Back to FS98 for you! |
Which runway did they land on? if 16-obviously autoland not an option. 34...well looking at the plates CAT 1 minima only but “in line” so TBH if the cockpit environment was challenging I might be thinking about “exceptional circumstances” and consider an auto land...albeit indulging in a great deal of caution. |
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