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Airtoday 28th Jul 2002 12:04

Moscow crash
 
Have just heard on Sky News that a cargo plane (Ilyushin?)has crashed on take off at Moscow International.

OneWorld22 28th Jul 2002 12:16

Looking at the BBC, it took off from SVO and went down, it is on fire and had 10-12 crew on board but no passengers. All are believed to be dead. It is an IL86 of Pulkova airlines, ususally flying Moscow to St. Petersburg.

RIP, a terrible weekend out in the east:(

DX Wombat 28th Jul 2002 12:35

The BBC now says all 16 crew on board have died. The past few weeks have proved to be a dreadful time for Russian aviation. :(

Airtoday 28th Jul 2002 12:41

Sky now reporting two survivors..

Airbubba 28th Jul 2002 12:59

Russian airliner cargo plane crashes

Plane goes down at Moscow airport; casualties unclear


MSNBC NEWS SERVICES

MOSCOW, July 28 — A Russian Il-86 cargo plane with up to 16 crew members aboard crashed Sunday while taking off from Moscow’s Sheremetyevo-1 airport, the Emergencies Ministry said. The number of casualties was not immediately clear.
RUSSIAN AIR POLICE said there were only two survivors from the crash.
Russian news media, meanwhile, reported that all of those aboard were killed.
The cargo plane was on its way from Moscow to St. Petersburg on a technical flight. The jet crashed while taking off and plunged into a nearby forest, barely missing the busy Dmitrov highway northwest of the capital.
The highway was busy, as many Muscovites were on their way back into the city from their country homes at the end of a hot summer weekend.
The aircraft belonged to the Pulkovsky airlines, which flies between Moscow and St. Petersburg.
“The Ilyushin 86 plane that crashed was carrying 16 people on board — four flight crew and 12 air stewards,” Emergencies Ministry spokeswoman Marina Ryklina told Reuters.
“We don’t know if there are any survivors, but the ministry rescue teams have gone to the scene and are most likely already working there,” she said.
A correspondent for Russia’s NTV television said the plane was on fire, and that the aircraft had been cordoned off by police. NTV said the plane had crashed nose down, burst into flames and that a huge plume of smoke was visible.
The Interfax news agency said the plane went down at 3:25 p.m. (6:25 a.m. ET).
The Il-86 is Russia’s main long-distance airliner, and the first wide-body commercial aircraft built in the Soviet Union.
The incident came a day after 83 people died when a military jet crashed at an air show in Lviv in Ukraine, and a month after 71 people died when a Tupolev Tu-154 carrying Russian children to a holiday in Spain collided over the Swiss-German border with a cargo plane.

Airtoday 28th Jul 2002 13:08

Moscow crash
 
Latest from Sky..two mushroom pickers killed when aircraft came down on them in flames.

Airtoday 28th Jul 2002 13:32

Moscow crash
 
Latest reports indicate there may have been more than 16 on board. Of two stewardesses taken from the crash alive one has now died in hospital.

hobie 28th Jul 2002 14:14

Pulkovo IL86 photo
 
photo example @ .....

http://www.aviaphoto.h1.ru/ilyushin/il86/Il-86-018.htm

Boss Raptor 28th Jul 2002 14:31

I am choosing not to comment as to 'Safety Oversight' however the human aspect of the recent air show crash in Ukraine and this further Moscow incident is all too real...

...there is little or no provision for pensions/compensation for the victims/families of these disasters...right or wrong we can argue separately...

Without a bread winner in Russia/NIS life is tough for the dependants...standard Air Force pension is $12 per month...

God rest all that lost their lives...and may all of us in the industry pull together to help them...they are not aliens they are people in our industry...and very nice people in my experience...

Yes I am angry as all too easy to criticise...but how many of us are actually helping???

Fubaar 29th Jul 2002 05:38

Papers here are saying the aircraft was returning to home base without pax because of tech problems. Any chance this was three engine ferry?

CargoOne 29th Jul 2002 07:25

IL86 do not exist as freighter. All 86s are widebody pax airliners, 350Y capacity. I understood inbound flight to SVO was a charter and crash happend just after departure for ferry outbound.

That's the IL86 second hull loss in the history and first accident with fatalities.

MrNosy 29th Jul 2002 08:11

Normal positioning flight - aircraft had operated pax charter from Sochi, which arrived two hours earlier, was positioning back to base.

newswatcher 29th Jul 2002 08:38

possibly third hull loss
 
Cargoone,

Technically, this would be the third hull loss. Aviation Safety reports an incident in Delhi in March '94, when one(RA-86119) was "zapped" by a crashing 737, not exactly it's fault then, and in mid-'98 at Moscow, a heavy landing lead to eventual scrapping of hull(RA-86080).

I understand that after the Dubai incident in Sept 2001, the aircraft(RA-86074) was repaired, but I have yet to find confirmation of this.

CargoOne 29th Jul 2002 11:01

newswatcher
Yes, there was a hull loss in Delhi, but it was not even "usual" ground accident - this IL86 was parked at the stand with no crew/no pax when 737 collided with it. It could happen even with AF1 ;)

Ref last year DXB incident (AFL IL86 bellyhold landing) - aircraft has not returned into service and understood to be (or already) scrapped. AFL got their money for hull lost from insurance company - that's 100% verfied info.

BRISTOLRE 29th Jul 2002 11:39

IL86 and IL96 freighters
 
There is a freighter, an IL96, Atlant Soyuz based in DME have one. Your correct, no current IL86 freighters in operation.

TwinCat 29th Jul 2002 13:57

Local TV just said flight voice recorder tape is empty, the other tapes show "normal behaviour". An insider info from avia.ru forums says the rules were fixed for a very steep climb (sorry for not using the pro slang). The Il-86 was in SVO for only about 1.5 hrs en route from Sochi to Pulkovo, Petersburg and left empty save for the crew and air technics, so some speculate its captain plain forgot there are no pax aboard and the plane is much lighter. There was not much fuel aboard so the fire was quickly extinguished, the SVO firemen did their best. The surviving stewardesses were seated in the tail and can not tell much of the crash except for "strong vibration then drop".
Thank you for all the good wishes and compassion.

ORAC 29th Jul 2002 20:55

CNN:

CNN

Moscow crash: Stabiliser suspected
July 29, 2002 Posted: 2:15 PM EDT (1815 GMT)

MOSCOW, Russia -- An inquiry into the Russian jet crash that killed 14 crew members is focusing on a possible malfunction of its horizontal stabiliser, officials said.

Investigator Valery Chernyayev said the device spontaneously moved two seconds after the Il-86 took off on Sunday. Six seconds after the shift, the plane's commander tried to compensate by thrusting the control stick forward as far as possible, "which was not successful," he said.

The horizontal stabiliser, located on a plane's tail, controls the pitch of the aircraft's nose in flight. A sudden ascent at too steep an angle could cause an aircraft to stall, meaning it loses the lift on its wings.

Chernyayev said the horizontal stabilisers of all Il-86 planes in service would now probably be checked. The Il-86 -- a four-engine jet and a workhorse for Russian airlines -- is often used by top Russian officials for travel, including President Vladimir Putin.

Authorities were examining flight data and an audio recording from the cockpit of the crashed jet, which had been heading on Sunday afternoon to its home airport in St. Petersburg with 16 crew aboard.

Two flight attendants survived the crash -- one was virtually unscathed -- of the Pulkovo Airlines jet, empty except for crew after bringing about 250 passengers to Moscow from the Black Sea resort of Sochi.

The pilots did not have time to tell controllers there was a problem, aviation officials told The Associated Press.

All four cockpit crew members and 10 of the 12 flight attendants were killed, officials said. Work to find and identify the bodies was slow because of the impact of the doomed plane, but officials at Russia's Interstate Aviation Committee said the data recorders were found in good condition, the Interfax news agency reported.

One of the flight attendants, Arina Vinogradova, survived the crash with only an injured hand and bruises, and was able to sit up in her hospital bed in footage shown on RTR television.

"She felt a frightful trembling," said Dmitry Fyodorovsky, a doctor who treated Vinogradova. "She did not think the plane was going to fall, but then it started to crash."

The plane came down about 200 metres from the runway not far from the Dmitrov highway northwest of Moscow, which at the time was crowded with traffic as Muscovites headed home from a hot summer weekend at their dachas.

The crash came a day after another Soviet-era plane, an Su-27 fighter jet, ploughed through a crowd of spectators at an air show in western Ukraine, killing 83 people. (Full story)

Sheremetyevo-1 airport serves mainly flights within the former Soviet Union, and is located adjacent to Moscow's main international airport, Sheremetyevo-2.

Witnesses said the aircraft had climbed steeply, then suddenly dropped into a grassy area outside a fence around the airport and burst into flames.

A man who said he saw the crash told TVS television that the plane travelled with its nose almost straight up for 15-20 seconds before it became horizontal again and then crashed.

Anatoly Ivanov, a pilot and head of flight services for Pulkovo airlines -- which operates regular passenger and cargo service between Moscow and St. Petersburg -- said he was friends with the pilot and described him as a first-rate airman with more than 20 years experience of flying.

"I have no doubt that the actions of the crew were accurate," Ivanov told a news conference Sunday. He said it was "too early to say" what caused the crash, but added the plane had been maintained to Russian and international standards....................

m&v 29th Jul 2002 21:11

Last info I heard that the 'Investigators' were looking at a 'jammed' stab'-surely this goes against the eyewitnesses reports that the A/craft just went in nose first(eyewitnesses????):confused:

3forty 30th Jul 2002 00:05

m&v:
It is quite possible for an airplane to dive nose first ,after a stall,even with the stabilizer jammed full up.Don´t know if that was the case,it is too soon to try to explain this accident.
One thing is for sure : a big plane,at very low weights and high thrust settings,can be very difficult to control if something goes wrong.

411A 30th Jul 2002 03:53

I wonder...

Several years ago was involved with a charter company that flew more than a few positioning flights (with cabin crew) where the Commander thought he was the "ace of the base" and would rapidly retard a wing engine throttle just after rotation while the First Officer was PF. As this was not authorized (nor was this particular Commander a training Captain), the First Officers(s)were not particularally impressed. This guy also tried an engine inop ferry without authorization.
These types of unauthorized actions can rapidly get out of hand, especially for those not so trained.

Hope that this was not the case here.


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