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 pilotmike 15th May 2018 11:52

Originally Posted by A Squared (Post 10147036)
Let me use your identical reasoning to construct "proof" the accused guy is innocent. This will help illustrate just how inane your reasoning is. The incidence of rape in the US is about 30 per 100,000. That's 0.0003% In other words,...

Not true. 30 in 100,000 is 0.03%, not 0.0003%. None of your subsequent figures based on that are correct.

 A Squared 15th May 2018 12:01

Originally Posted by pilotmike (Post 10147360)
Not true. 30 in 100,000 is 0.03%, not 0.0003%. None of your subsequent figures based on that are correct.

You're correct, I forgot to convert from a decimal fraction to a percent. Mea Culpa. Completely irrelevant and doesn't change things one iota. 0.06% is still much smaller than 8%. Guilt, or truth of allegations are still not determined by statistical probability, and 1 out of every 12 rape accusations being fabricated is still significant, and it is still galactically stupid to insist that a rape allegation must be true because "only" 8% of such accusations are false.

 PiggyBack 15th May 2018 18:47

No one knows teh flase rape report rate

Originally Posted by A Squared (Post 10143651)
The US Federal Bureau of Investigation estimates the 8% of rape accusations are fraudulent. 8%. Let that sink in for a moment. Out of every 12 rape accusations, 1 of them is false. That's compared to the 2% fraudulent whcih the FBI estimates for other crimes.

Again, I am not claiming that I believe the Sky West FA's claim is made up; I have no basis for knowing. But anyone who is claiming that it must be true because rape claims are inherently true, or that women are inherently honest, or that some occupational field is filled only with honest people, has departed rationality and is simply voicing prejudice and bias.

No one knows what percentage of rape claims is false. I believe the FBI have stated 8% as an estimate but supernatural powers would be necessary to be sure. Studies vary enormously and are very controversial. In Britain roughly 10% of accusations to the police result in a conviction. It varies a lot by region but around 15% of cases are classified as no crime by the police (ie. after investigation they decide no crime was committed). The remaining reports do not lead to conviction so who knows what actually happened. Realistically it is exactly the sort of thing you might expect to vary a lot by culture, circumstances etc. Exonerations by the innocence project are more commonly of men convicted for rape than any other crime so it is a real danger.

To me what is important is:
1. There are many genuine reports of rape
2. There are many incorrect reports of rape
3. The consequences of a conviction or even an investigation are severe.

Therefore investigations should be thorough even handed and as far as possible without preconceptions. All parties should be treated with consdieration and respect. Decisions on employment etc should wait for the results of an investigation. no one not even bloggers etc should jump to conclusions either way.

One thing I have read and I can't remember the reference is that almost all reports of date rape druggings in which toxicology test were performed were negative. Some city had performed hundreds of tests and all were negative. Typically the 'victim' consumed alcohol, and then woke up the next day with vague or missing memories, and serious regrets and therefore concluded that they had been drugged. They had but by themselves using alcohol.

There have been some genuine cases eg. John Worboys but they are very very rare.

 Airbubba 17th May 2018 18:50

Anybody hear about another Alaska Airlines incident involving alcohol and a flight cancellation last Friday night?

Airline Pilot Central and a closed union forum have reports that Alaska 886 from Lihue, Hawaii to SeaTac on May 11 was cancelled due to a crew issue after a hotel bartender reported allegations of misbehavior to the airline.

 A Squared 17th May 2018 18:53

Originally Posted by Airbubba (Post 10149600)
Anybody hear about another Alaska Airlines incident involving alcohol and a flight cancellation last Friday night?

Airline Pilot Central and a closed union forum have reports that Alaska 886 from Lihue, Hawaii to SeaTac on May 11 was cancelled due to a crew issue after a hotel bartender reported allegations of misbehavior to the airline.

Why, Yes, I have heard that. And I've also heard that the coincidence doesn't end with it merely being the same airline.

 Airbubba 18th May 2018 15:47

Another #MeToo lawsuit by a former Alaska Air flight attendant who claims that she was drugged and raped (by the FO?) on a layover. :uhoh:

Flight attendant sues Alaska Airlines; says she was fired after reporting rape

By: Siemny Kim

Updated: May 16, 2018 - 9:33 PMA former Alaska Airlines flight attendant is suing the airline claiming she was fired after she reported she was drugged and raped during an overnight stop.

In a lawsuit just filed, Ashley Geffre claims she tried to do the right thing but the company fired her in retaliation.

She also said a first officer corroborated her story about possibly being drugged but he wasn't fired.“I've loved my job as a flight attendant,” Geffre said. “It’s taken me amazing places. I've met incredible people.”

It was a dream job Geffre, 25, working as a flight attendant for Alaska Airlines.

“It was probably the best three years of my life,” Geffre added.

But last August, that all changed during an overnight stay in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

“It's devastating,” she said.

She went out for dinner and drinks with the first officer.

“And the next day I woke up early in the morning around 6 or 7 a.m.,” she recalled. “And I had no clothes on. My clothes were on every corner of the room and I was scared.”

She believes she had been drugged and raped. But she didn’t know who was responsible.

“I felt severe cramping beyond menstrual pain. I felt itchy. I felt sexually assaulted,” Geffre described. “I had no idea what had happened.”

She later learned from the Broward County Sheriff’s Office more frightening details about that night.

“I was found in a stairwell by a security guard who swore under oath he did find me in a stairwell with my pants to my ankles and I was slouched over with vomit on me,” Geffre said.

Geffre notified the airline that she couldn’t fly that evening.

“I did the right thing,’ said Geffre. “I did not feel safe to fly.”

She said the first officer also claimed he was drugged and couldn’t fly.

“As soon as I returned to Seattle a few days later, they called me in for questioning,” she recounted. “And I went in with my union rep and I had no idea it was going to lead to termination.”

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/fli...rape/750845665

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